Anonymous wrote:It’s not going to be enough for the MAGAs to bash trans kids before the fall election so look for the anti-Hispanic rhetoric to spike as well.

Anonymous wrote:Just putting this out there - this can't be an FCPS-only or right now problem.

I went to public school (not FCPS) in multiple states in the 80s and 90s and there have always been issues. Special education students were segregated in the schools that I went to (which is a whole other conversation), but there were certainly "bad" kids (whether they got bad grades, got in trouble, maybe both, bad home situation, etc.) throughout my time in school. I remember the kids who were constantly in the principal's office, at detention, etc etc. Yes, it was disruptive but we went about our day and just kind of stayed away from them.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a really stupid thread. Congratulations, OP.

You hate simple solutions. Got it.

Solutions so simple in fact that they are very likely to simultaneously run afoul of Brown v. Board of Education and the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). Just ignore the law, it will easy.

I don't think you fully understand the intent behind IDEA. I was never meant for ESOL situations, but rather IEPs. As for BvBE, you would rather see kids continue to fall behind and create an unsafe learning environment as a result of their disruptive behavior than admit that ESOL kids need full English-language immersion in order to get their English reading, writing, speaking and comprehension up to grade level (or better). Why would you deny them a quality education because they can't understand the language. If anyone is discriminating here it's you and other "equity before all" progressives who can't face the truth about what's caused various schools across the county to slip in pupil performance.

You are incorrect.

ESL students are protected by IDEA, and cannot legally be segregated from your English speaking kid's classroom. They can be pulled out briefly for specific targeted instruction, similar to a kid getting speech therapy gets pulled out, but they cannot legally be removed from your kid's class.

This is well established and basic education law.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh OP- do tell where the money for the extra administration, classrooms, buses, bus drivers, and SPED teachers or ESL teachers are going to come from? I highly doubt you would be up for more property taxes. And no, central office cuts would not be enough to offset your large ask.

Expand and tell us when a child is “proficient” enough in English to sit next to your child. Who is testing them and when can they move from the brown room to yours?

Forget about the money -- who are you going to find to teach at such schools? It's hard enough to find special ed/disabilities teachers right now. Who is going to take a job at a school where all the most difficult kids were purposely placed? I know OP is just trying to stir the pot with this because it's so stupid and poorly thought out.

more money for those positions?

Say 100k above current salaries?

Anonymous wrote:The FCPS boundary review is such mess, and no one is happy about it, in large part because it's holding the real estate market hostage across much of the county. Can we all agree that all taxpayers in FFX County deserve to send to their kids to safe schools where academic achievement is not hindered by kids who either misbehave or hold the class back due to poor English comprehension? To that end, the simplest solution to the boundary fiasco would be to put underperforming students and those with behavior problems into separate facilities. There have to be consequences for misbehavior, and incentives to learn and speak English at a level consistent with learning at a normal pace.

Stop conflating education and real estate. Stop the fighting over school boundaries. Support kids who want to learn with opportunities to be challenged by like-minded peers, and stop apologizing for poor performance.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, let's go back to 1985 and just keep everyone who isn't JUST LIKE US hidden away in some craptastic closet somewhere.

You clearly don't want kids to succeed. How about we just the ones who can't speak English into quality English-immersion programs and then put them back in mainstream classes when they can keep up with the native English speakers. As for the disruptive, violent kids, there is simply no reason to keep them in mainstream classrooms. Violence should not be tolerated.

I'm pretty outraged that you are lumping ESOL students and disruptive, violent kids into the same bucket.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, let's go back to 1985 and just keep everyone who isn't JUST LIKE US hidden away in some craptastic closet somewhere.

You clearly don't want kids to succeed. How about we just the ones who can't speak English into quality English-immersion programs and then put them back in mainstream classes when they can keep up with the native English speakers. As for the disruptive, violent kids, there is simply no reason to keep them in mainstream classrooms. Violence should not be tolerated.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh OP- do tell where the money for the extra administration, classrooms, buses, bus drivers, and SPED teachers or ESL teachers are going to come from? I highly doubt you would be up for more property taxes. And no, central office cuts would not be enough to offset your large ask.

Expand and tell us when a child is “proficient” enough in English to sit next to your child. Who is testing them and when can they move from the brown room to yours?

Forget about the money -- who are you going to find to teach at such schools? It's hard enough to find special ed/disabilities teachers right now. Who is going to take a job at a school where all the most difficult kids were purposely placed? I know OP is just trying to stir the pot with this because it's so stupid and poorly thought out.

Anonymous wrote:The FCPS boundary review is such mess, and no one is happy about it, in large part because it's holding the real estate market hostage across much of the county. Can we all agree that all taxpayers in FFX County deserve to send to their kids to safe schools where academic achievement is not hindered by kids who either misbehave or hold the class back due to poor English comprehension? To that end, the simplest solution to the boundary fiasco would be to put underperforming students and those with behavior problems into separate facilities. There have to be consequences for misbehavior, and incentives to learn and speak English at a level consistent with learning at a normal pace.

Stop conflating education and real estate. Stop the fighting over school boundaries. Support kids who want to learn with opportunities to be challenged by like-minded peers, and stop apologizing for poor performance.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh OP- do tell where the money for the extra administration, classrooms, buses, bus drivers, and SPED teachers or ESL teachers are going to come from? I highly doubt you would be up for more property taxes. And no, central office cuts would not be enough to offset your large ask.

Expand and tell us when a child is “proficient” enough in English to sit next to your child. Who is testing them and when can they move from the brown room to yours?

Forget about the money -- who are you going to find to teach at such schools? It's hard enough to find special ed/disabilities teachers right now. Who is going to take a job at a school where all the most difficult kids were purposely placed? I know OP is just trying to stir the pot with this because it's so stupid and poorly thought out.

Anonymous wrote:Oh OP- do tell where the money for the extra administration, classrooms, buses, bus drivers, and SPED teachers or ESL teachers are going to come from? I highly doubt you would be up for more property taxes. And no, central office cuts would not be enough to offset your large ask.

Expand and tell us when a child is “proficient” enough in English to sit next to your child. Who is testing them and when can they move from the brown room to yours?

Anonymous wrote:Yes, let's go back to 1985 and just keep everyone who isn't JUST LIKE US hidden away in some craptastic closet somewhere.