Anonymous
08/13/2025 19:10
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Update the process and bring ASL seeding into this century!
Anonymous
08/13/2025 19:10
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:Mandate teams follow the ladder for divisionals and divisional relays selection.
If not, at least transparency- meet sheets with times are shared and not kept under lock and key like they are the biggest secret in the world!
Anonymous
08/13/2025 19:08
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All that's needed in the NVSL handbook is specifying the competitions tech suits are allowed.
Current rule:
Only FINA-approved tech suits may be worn in competitions. No Technical suit may be worn by any 12& under athlete. (102.8.1.F)
Rule change proposal:
Only FINA-approved tech suits may be worn in Relay Carnivals, Divisionals, and All-Star Meets. No Technical suit may be worn by any 12& under athlete. (102.8.1.F)
I’d go with:
FINA-approved tech suits may be worn in Relay Carnivals, Divisionals, and All-Star Meets. No other technical suits may be worn in any competition. No technical suit may be worn by any 12& under athlete. (102.8.1.F)
Wonder if it should be 12U athletes competing in those categories - seems unfair if a 12 year old swimmer is swimming up (is that allowed?)
This looks great!
Swim ups are not allowed. Handbook: In the Division Relay Carnival, Divisionals and All-Star Meets swimmers may compete only in their own age groups.
Anonymous
08/13/2025 17:40
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Change the age group determination rule. Kids should age up on the day of their birthday just like they do in year-round swim. They shouldn't swim based on what their age is on June 1st.
What date is it now? I thought it was June 1st.
It is June 1. So after a few weeks of practices, but slightly before when teams would do time trials. Things look to be starting a bit later in 2026, probably due to school calendars being all over the place and next year being a heavy year for religious holidays falling in weekdays.
Anonymous
08/13/2025 15:39
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:Change the age group determination rule. Kids should age up on the day of their birthday just like they do in year-round swim. They shouldn't swim based on what their age is on June 1st.
What date is it now? I thought it was June 1st.
Anonymous
08/13/2025 15:36
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:All that's needed in the NVSL handbook is specifying the competitions tech suits are allowed.
Current rule:
Only FINA-approved tech suits may be worn in competitions. No Technical suit may be worn by any 12& under athlete. (102.8.1.F)
Rule change proposal:
Only FINA-approved tech suits may be worn in Relay Carnivals, Divisionals, and All-Star Meets. No Technical suit may be worn by any 12& under athlete. (102.8.1.F)
I’d go with:
FINA-approved tech suits may be worn in Relay Carnivals, Divisionals, and All-Star Meets. No other technical suits may be worn in any competition. No technical suit may be worn by any 12& under athlete. (102.8.1.F)
Wonder if it should be 12U athletes competing in those categories - seems unfair if a 12 year old swimmer is swimming up (is that allowed?)
Anonymous
08/13/2025 15:26
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Change the age group determination rule. Kids should age up on the day of their birthday just like they do in year-round swim. They shouldn't swim based on what their age is on June 1st.
Ugh please no. It makes sense in year round swim, it’s a 9 month or 11 month season.
Summer swim is 6 weeks. I would be all for moving it up to June 1 or out to August 1 though.
Don’t support August 1 at all. Summer birthday kids should not be forced to spend their entire season competing in an older age group. It stinks to move up from the 8U when you’re just turning 9 in May, but it makes no sense at all when you’re 8 and stay 8. That’s the sort of thing that causes kids to drop from the sport.
Anonymous
08/13/2025 13:30
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is a ton of support to ban tech suits at dual meets. Please please someone step up and make it happen.
No, there really isn't. There are a handful of very vocal parents who feel very strongly that recreational league somehow means there shouldnt be a focus on competition (a stated purpose of the NVSL) and that kneeskins equate to a sportsmanship issue.
Most people don't see this as a problem or care. This is about talking with your coaches and reps and a bit of education for the parents.
Eh, D1-3 team, it’s a pretty universal sentiment on our team, even though a ton of our team’s kids wear them. It would help the reps and coaches if they could point to clear policy for dual meets.
Let's break this down a bit. Nobody cares about the boys suits. So really we are talking about 13-14 and 15-18 girls. So roughly 12 kids max are wearing tech suits on your team and therefore it violates sportsmanship to the point that the NVSL should adopt a far more strict standard than is currently in place.
-Why is this unfair to other teams who have the same opportunity to wear the same suits?
-why are the 12 girls wearing them in the first place and have you considered their thoughts on the matter? (Body image, personal comfort, close meets, chasing records, old tech suits that lost compression, etc)
-if your coach and team rep are opposed, why aren't they simply prohibiting them as a team rule? If they don't have sufficient control over their swimmers, that's a much bigger problem that won't be solved by a rule change.
This is mostly a perception problem from parents of younger swimmers in the 12-14 range who are so worried about what other teams kids are wearing. Competition and sportsmanship are just excuses.
I've heard arguments that it is 1) economically unfair, 2) focuses on competition in a rec league, 3) the suits aren't durable, and 4) they don't really do anything at this level (especially with manual timers)
In favor, I've heard 1) kids should be able to use all legal equipment (goggles, caps, suits), 2) prepares for higher levels, 3) psychological motivator (if you think you will be faster, you will be faster), 4) Some meets come down to a point or two and a touch, 5) if chasing a record, often the best times are done at dual meets not all stars and divisionals, and 6) who cares who long it lasts if you aren't spending that money yourself.
Am I missing anything?
Anonymous
08/13/2025 13:14
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anyone able to talk their team rep into proposing a tech suits ban?
Anonymous
08/13/2025 13:01
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
All that's needed in the NVSL handbook is specifying the competitions tech suits are allowed.
Current rule:
Only FINA-approved tech suits may be worn in competitions. No Technical suit may be worn by any 12& under athlete. (102.8.1.F)
Rule change proposal:
Only FINA-approved tech suits may be worn in Relay Carnivals, Divisionals, and All-Star Meets. No Technical suit may be worn by any 12& under athlete. (102.8.1.F)
Current rule:
Only FINA-approved tech suits may be worn in competitions. No Technical suit may be worn by any 12& under athlete. (102.8.1.F)
Rule change proposal:
Only FINA-approved tech suits may be worn in Relay Carnivals, Divisionals, and All-Star Meets. No Technical suit may be worn by any 12& under athlete. (102.8.1.F)
Anonymous
08/13/2025 11:30
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:Change the age group determination rule. Kids should age up on the day of their birthday just like they do in year-round swim. They shouldn't swim based on what their age is on June 1st.
Not going to happen. This has been discussed at length on this board and is problematic for a lot of reasons.
Anonymous
08/13/2025 10:04
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is a ton of support to ban tech suits at dual meets. Please please someone step up and make it happen.
No, there really isn't. There are a handful of very vocal parents who feel very strongly that recreational league somehow means there shouldnt be a focus on competition (a stated purpose of the NVSL) and that kneeskins equate to a sportsmanship issue.
Most people don't see this as a problem or care. This is about talking with your coaches and reps and a bit of education for the parents.[/quot
Strongly disagree. I think most parents would disagree that tech suits have a place in dual meets.
Anonymous
08/13/2025 09:46
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is a ton of support to ban tech suits at dual meets. Please please someone step up and make it happen.
No, there really isn't. There are a handful of very vocal parents who feel very strongly that recreational league somehow means there shouldnt be a focus on competition (a stated purpose of the NVSL) and that kneeskins equate to a sportsmanship issue.
Most people don't see this as a problem or care. This is about talking with your coaches and reps and a bit of education for the parents.
Eh, D1-3 team, it’s a pretty universal sentiment on our team, even though a ton of our team’s kids wear them. It would help the reps and coaches if they could point to clear policy for dual meets.
Anonymous
08/13/2025 09:36
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
Anonymous wrote:There is a ton of support to ban tech suits at dual meets. Please please someone step up and make it happen.
No, there really isn't. There are a handful of very vocal parents who feel very strongly that recreational league somehow means there shouldnt be a focus on competition (a stated purpose of the NVSL) and that kneeskins equate to a sportsmanship issue.
Most people don't see this as a problem or care. This is about talking with your coaches and reps and a bit of education for the parents.
Anonymous
08/13/2025 08:38
Subject: What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?
We can wish for this all we want but no one is going to put it forward.