Only dumb, non Ivy ppl say that it is just an athletic conference. It’s certainly more than that in terms of social significance.

Anonymous wrote:Stop thinking that Ivy League means anything. It is just an athletic conference.

Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Northwestern, Hopkins, and so on easily rival the ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who went to a top ten school, I'm going to tell you: no one cares. My best intern right now is from the University of South Carolina.

The East Coast USC (U South Carolina), has a solid Honors College and is ranked #1 for undergraduate International Business. Nevertheless, we do not know the duties & responsibilities of your interns, so it might mean best at fetching coffee, most pleasant personality, etc.

Ok, set their interns aside. Among my reports at a FAANG are graduates of Stanford, MIT, CIT, Waterloo, UCB, NCSU, SJSU, RIT, and MS&T. They are all excellent but the MS&T kid is the best of them all and it isn't even close.

What is MS&T?

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Anonymous wrote:What schools are “ivy-plus”

UMD calls themselves a “public ivy”

This thread is garbage like all the subjective, strivery, clout-chasing prestige fights on this board, but I’m going to stick up for the Terps here. They didn’t decide to call themselves a public Ivy. The school was included on a list of the strongest flagships in the country. That moniker is no more or less valid than Ivy+. You certainly seem like someone who cares about NW’s perceived lack of prestige wrt the Ivies so why don’t you concentrate on that.

Yeah..the UMD thing came out of nowhere.

The regional AO from UMD did a webinar for our MCPS school. She started her presentation by saying, “University of Maryland is considered a public ivy.”
I kid you not.

FWIW, I turned down MIT for NU. Very happy with the outcome! Go Wildcats!

FWIW My kid turned downed NU this cycle for a top public. He liked both but one was considerably cheaper. Well, that and the better weather

I went to NU as a financial aid student and it was a great experience but today it's twice the cost of UVA or Virginia Tech in state. I'd advise a kid making that choice to save the over 100k.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivys are coasting on their reputations-the cat is now out of the bag with all of the recent bad press and reputations with employers. Many kids would pick NU over all Ivys except HYP. They deserve their high rankings on USNWR.

This is just not true. My kid isn’t even considering applying to NW. it isn’t as desirable for a backup reach.

Your kid isn't getting into an Ivy and to say that Northwestern isn't a desirable backup just identifies you as intellectually impaired.

I went to a real Ivy. Thanks. DH and I both went to HYP. Northwestern is a great school. It just isn’t as desirable to everyone. My kid is exceptionally strong. I’m not worried about him at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, the Ivies are for cultural capital:prestige. Prestige in this country has historically come from New England. California has the edge on money and innovation hence Stanford, Caltech. But the Midwest has none of these things. Northwestern might provide a better education and job prospects and be higher in US News rankings but that’s not how people calculate these things for themselves. They care about bragging rights in their communities.

Wrong. This isn’t how the world works, and I have multiple degrees from top ivies.

Doubtful, very doubtful. The first part of you comment has zero context and makes no sense either.

I actually do, which is why I don't get involved with squabbles on here.

Intelligent people do not care about bragging rights in their communities. They pursue real things like working with top faculty on specific topics, pipelines for employment after graduation, internships, and real goals in their undergraduate education.

Agree. For bragging rights, just buy & wear the hoodie of any prestigious school. If conflicted, there is a Harvard/Stanford combo hoodie available.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, the Ivies are for cultural capital:prestige. Prestige in this country has historically come from New England. California has the edge on money and innovation hence Stanford, Caltech. But the Midwest has none of these things. Northwestern might provide a better education and job prospects and be higher in US News rankings but that’s not how people calculate these things for themselves. They care about bragging rights in their communities.

Wrong. This isn’t how the world works, and I have multiple degrees from top ivies.

Doubtful, very doubtful. The first part of you comment has zero context and makes no sense either.

I actually do, which is why I don't get involved with squabbles on here.

Intelligent people do not care about bragging rights in their communities. They pursue real things like working with top faculty on specific topics, pipelines for employment after graduation, internships, and real goals in their undergraduate education.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who went to a top ten school, I'm going to tell you: no one cares. My best intern right now is from the University of South Carolina.

The East Coast USC (U South Carolina), has a solid Honors College and is ranked #1 for undergraduate International Business. Nevertheless, we do not know the duties & responsibilities of your interns, so it might mean best at fetching coffee, most pleasant personality, etc.

Ok, set their interns aside. Among my reports at a FAANG are graduates of Stanford, MIT, CIT, Waterloo, UCB, NCSU, SJSU, RIT, and MS&T. They are all excellent but the MS&T kid is the best of them all and it isn't even close.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivys are coasting on their reputations-the cat is now out of the bag with all of the recent bad press and reputations with employers. Many kids would pick NU over all Ivys except HYP. They deserve their high rankings on USNWR.

This is just not true. My kid isn’t even considering applying to NW. it isn’t as desirable for a backup reach.

Your kid probably wouldn’t get in. Also, lots of kids do stupid things. Don’t tell us about your kid unless they were already accepted and are making a decision.

He probably would get in. It doesn’t matter. He has no interest in going to the Midwest.

Nobody's kid "probably gets in" unless they are recruited athletes or have the money to "name a building". You kid is likely lacking on both of those vectors so they aren't getting in.

Anonymous wrote:Ivies have higher ranks and lower acceptance rates because of marketing and popularity. Internet has changed that but they'll still cash on reputation for a while. However, its not a hidden knowledge that ranking isn't accurate and you should rather look at tiers. Tier one has ivies, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Hopkins, Chicago, Rice, Duke, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, CMU.

And a whole bunch of other schools which have student profiles which almost completely overlap and vast resources to support those students.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, the Ivies are for cultural capital:prestige. Prestige in this country has historically come from New England. California has the edge on money and innovation hence Stanford, Caltech. But the Midwest has none of these things. Northwestern might provide a better education and job prospects and be higher in US News rankings but that’s not how people calculate these things for themselves. They care about bragging rights in their communities.

The quest is for imagined prestige not academic excellence.

I don’t want my kid going to a school where people go just for prestige. What a waste of 4 yrs.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, the Ivies are for cultural capital:prestige. Prestige in this country has historically come from New England. California has the edge on money and innovation hence Stanford, Caltech. But the Midwest has none of these things. Northwestern might provide a better education and job prospects and be higher in US News rankings but that’s not how people calculate these things for themselves. They care about bragging rights in their communities.

Wrong. This isn’t how the world works, and I have multiple degrees from top ivies.

Doubtful, very doubtful. The first part of you comment has zero context and makes no sense either.

Anonymous wrote:Look, the Ivies are for cultural capital:prestige. Prestige in this country has historically come from New England. California has the edge on money and innovation hence Stanford, Caltech. But the Midwest has none of these things. Northwestern might provide a better education and job prospects and be higher in US News rankings but that’s not how people calculate these things for themselves. They care about bragging rights in their communities.

The quest is for imagined prestige not academic excellence.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivys are coasting on their reputations-the cat is now out of the bag with all of the recent bad press and reputations with employers. Many kids would pick NU over all Ivys except HYP. They deserve their high rankings on USNWR.

This is just not true. My kid isn’t even considering applying to NW. it isn’t as desirable for a backup reach.

Your kid isn't getting into an Ivy and to say that Northwestern isn't a desirable backup just identifies you as intellectually impaired.

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Anonymous wrote:stanford
duke
northwestern
chicago
hopkins
MIT
caltech

are the equivalent non-ivies. I wonder who the 8th is.

There isn’t one. Ivies plus these 7 are the T15 everyone agrees on.

None in the next tier are there (Rice CMU washU Vanderbilt ND etc)

Nonsense. There is a negligible difference in student capabilities for the vast majority of the student population at any of the T25 or so universities and T15 or so SLACS. You can try to 'stack rank' this bucket of schools all day but it is nonsensical. They are all the same except in teh minds of drones focused on 'ranking' because it makes them feel better about themselves. And if you are looking for hard core engineering there are publics which are superior to almost all of them.

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Anonymous wrote:But this argument is disingenuous. The “Ivy League” is seen as the definitive stamp of academic excellence/pedigree. Clearly “Ivy Plus” is just an attempt to add other institutions to that list. It’s not an unreasonable attempt. Economists such as Raj Chetty coined the term in the course of research on education. The question remains why Northwestern was not seen to have the same pedigree.

Meh, there’s a shift with the rise of STEM education. Nowadays, a lot of people wouldn’t classify Dartmouth or Brown at the same level as Harvard or Princeton.

You actually mean Engineering and CS not classical STEM. Because engineers and CS majors are mostly trained rather than educated your hypothesis is wildly incorrect.