Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 18:45     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why women have to do all this but not men? Should society recognize it as something making women second degree citizens?


They are representative of subjugation and toxic masculinity.


Quite the opposite. It is toxic femininity.

Women use makeup, fancy clothing, etc. to impress other women, not men.

Men don't care. As long as a woman is not obese and fun to be around, they really don't care about the things like makeup and clothing.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 18:10     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:Look at Pamela Anderson. She knows about makeup, high heels, the male gaze, and being judged better than anyone…and yet today she walks red carpets without any makeup on. You do you, OP. No one is going to stop you.


She was already very successful in her career. She doesn’t have anything to prove now. She wouldn’t have gotten where she is without the makeup, heels, and breast implants in her youth. Maybe things have changed but I still see most Hollywood stars wearing makeup and heels.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 18:07     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
It's one thing to want to use / wear these items because you want to, it's another to be "required" to.

I don't want any job that makes me wear heels and makeup. I'm fine wearing makeup if I want to, heels are from the devil. And sexy lingerie is uncomfortable, my DH is fine with whatever because it doesn't cost him extra money and the result is the same.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 18:01     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:It puts you at disadvantage in professional, social and romantic realms. If men are seeing Barbie Dolls with plastic surgery, makeup, heels, sexy clothing everywhere, they see that as standard.


Lauren Sanchez
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 17:57     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:MAGA tries to convince women they are required, but we know better - it’s a choice.


I am a very liberal woman and embrace femininity. I wear dresses and skirts almost exclusively. I have a significant lingerie collection and wear lingerie daily. I wear heels and makeup daily.

I am not going to dent my husband appreciates it, but I don’t feel forced to do it in anyway.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 17:55     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
If filthy rich person has it, we want it!
It's that how it started?
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 17:49     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:Why women have to do all this but not men? Should society recognize it as something making women second degree citizens?


Heels started out as a men's fashion, oddly enough. So the male nobility class could stand higher over their subjects when holding court.

But heels in general are very unhealthy to wear, especially for pre-teens/teens and young women, as it affects their bone structure in negative ways.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 16:35     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why women have to do all this but not men? Should society recognize it as something making women second degree citizens?


They are representative of subjugation and toxic masculinity.


Then why aren't women questioning it?
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 14:56     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:Why women have to do all this but not men? Should society recognize it as something making women second degree citizens?


They are representative of subjugation and toxic masculinity.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 14:55     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Sadly if majority is doing something, its seen as minimum standard.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 14:46     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:Why women have to do all this but not men? Should society recognize it as something making women second degree citizens?


No one has to do this

Heels are great weapons

Lingerie makes me feel amazing DH could care less

Makeup not my thing but hey whatever you choose makes you comfortable that’s awesome for you
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 13:46     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hmm so I’m in my mid-30s and noticing, socially and professionally, more and more women are not wearing heels or more noticeable makeup (except for weddings and “nice” events). Or increasing women choosing not to color their hair.

It’s a real change even to about ten years ago. I don’t know if the pandemic sped it up or what but it’s interesting.


I haven’t seen a woman wearing makeup at work in years. When I run into a person with a full face of makeup, she sticks out in a bad way. Like she’s insecure and probably fake.

Are you male?
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 13:43     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just see them as things some other women like but I don’t.


Same.

Lingerie is never as comfortable as I’d like. Before I had cancer, I was 36DD. Nothing in my budget was both cute and functional.

My skin is too sensitive for makeup.

I do sometimes like wearing heels.


Try being a 32H. It’s awful. But I don’t want to get a reduction because it isn’t my body’s fault that cute lingerie isn’t made for this size.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 13:41     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:I just see them as things some other women like but I don’t.


Same.

Lingerie is never as comfortable as I’d like. Before I had cancer, I was 36DD. Nothing in my budget was both cute and functional.

My skin is too sensitive for makeup.

I do sometimes like wearing heels.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2025 13:38     Subject: Do you see lingerie, makeup and heels as healthy or subjugation?
Anonymous wrote:Everybody should do what they want and what makes them happy.

But what it NOT okay is to demand people find you attractive.

I see both sexes do this - women will dress frumpy, yet want a wealthy, attractive man. Men will be overweight in a stained t shirt, then throw a fit when the woman who looks like a supermodel rejects him.

I’m a woman who works hard to maintain her appearance. I’m dating a man who does the same (he spends 2-3 hours a day in the gym, which is also “unfair” but he looks and feels incredible). Zero doubt in my mind if either of us did not take care of ourselves, we would not be together.

You need to date people who have the same priorities as you, and if you don’t prioritize your own looks, fine, but you can’t expect to date people who do.


I think the issue here is that people prioritize “looks” differently. My husband prioritizes looks by eating healthy and keeping toned and fit, but if he spent 2-3 hours a day in the gym, we’d be divorcing. Nobody needs that amount of time in a gym everyday just to be good looking. That’s like a professional athlete schedule.