Anonymous
08/01/2025 08:57
Subject: Re:How and why did Asia supplant Europe at being better at pastries and bread making?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am shocked people think Asian pastries are too sweet! Is this a joke? American desserts and pastries are so sweet they are mostly inedible for anyone over 10.
Asia also encompasses South Asia and outside the US people commonly think of India as well, and that may be the place with the sweetest pastries in the world. Otherwise agree that East Asian desserts are significantly less sweet than American desserts.
It doesn't make any sense in this context though; South Asia doesn't really have a huge bread/baking culture, it's a relatively new phenomenon. I don't know why anyone would say that Asian pastries are too sweet, when they eat American buttercream.
The thread was about Asian bread and pastry versus that in Europe, not the US.
I don't think anyone is arguing that the US is better at this than either place.
This is just a silly conversation that some people are using to try and brag about their world travels or refined culinary tastes. There's no good reason to try and compare all bread and pastry in Europe to all bread and pastry in Asia, it's a dumb proposition.
If you actually read the original post, it is really about Asian countries dominating the top 10 list in a world wide pastry competition. Japan beat France. China, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia
... all in the top 10. USA, Germany, Switzerland, Austria....nearly all of the countries Americans typically think of as having good pastry cultures didn't even crack the top 10. Have better reading comprehension nex time.
Anonymous
08/01/2025 08:54
Subject: How and why did Asia supplant Europe at being better at pastries and bread making?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asia will take over the world next 50 years (or much sooner). Half century ago (1970s) there was no rich Asian countries. See where many of them are now. It's scary.
Outbred the west. That is all.
Well it's thrilling that the people who will take over the world in the next 50 years believe in eugenics. Cool cool cool.
Anonymous
08/01/2025 08:51
Subject: How and why did Asia supplant Europe at being better at pastries and bread making?
Anonymous wrote:Asia will take over the world next 50 years (or much sooner). Half century ago (1970s) there was no rich Asian countries. See where many of them are now. It's scary.
Outbred the west. That is all.
Anonymous
08/01/2025 08:50
Subject: How and why did Asia supplant Europe at being better at pastries and bread making?
Asia will take over the world next 50 years (or much sooner). Half century ago (1970s) there was no rich Asian countries. See where many of them are now. It's scary.
Anonymous
08/01/2025 08:46
Subject: How and why did Asia supplant Europe at being better at pastries and bread making?
Anonymous wrote:The Asian supremacy bit is new around here but certainly growing. The user mix of this board certainly has changed in the last 10 years.
+100
Anonymous
08/01/2025 08:44
Subject: How and why did Asia supplant Europe at being better at pastries and bread making?
Anonymous wrote:Asians had bread making way before europe, so they had many centuries to perfect. Stop making flour western.
But also there are Asian flavor and texture concepts like really complement pastries like QQ and umami.
Research validating Asian bread making pre-dating the west?
Anonymous
08/01/2025 00:37
Subject: How and why did Asia supplant Europe at being better at pastries and bread making?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians had bread making way before europe, so they had many centuries to perfect. Stop making flour western.
But also there are Asian flavor and texture concepts like really complement pastries like QQ and umami.
But we aren't just talking about rustic bread making. Europeans clearly introduced the art of making pastries with ton of fat content and invented the methods for layering dough to get products like croissants. Making croissants is entirely a western concept. Yet in Asian now you can find so many places that make far better croissants, scones with clotted cream, tarts, cakes and pastries overall than what you get in Europe. How and why did Asia take it over?
Again, the Vietnam War.
Same reason Algerians also make insanely good pastries.
Japan is like 2000 miles away from Vietnam.
Where did they go for R&R? Japan.
Anonymous
08/01/2025 00:15
Subject: How and why did Asia supplant Europe at being better at pastries and bread making?
France and Italy are too hung up on tradition. East Asia is more accepting of experimentation. More experimenting eventually yields a better product, soooo.......