Here are the links:

Microsoft:
https://h1bgrader.com/h1b-sponsors/microsoft-corporation-ew2x79yyk3#employer-salaries

Bethesda:

https://h1bgrader.com/cities/bethesda-maryland-v82we7o215#city-salaries

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Anonymous wrote:Many Americans are capable of learning the skills needed for these jobs. What they won’t do is work 80 hours a week chained to a desk under the conditions that H1B workers endure. The tech companies will scream and cry that they can’t be globally competitive unless they hire H1B.

It’s time to accept that companies aren’t truly successful when profits depend on making lives miserable.

You realize that those H1Bs that work at the tech companies probably make (total comp) 5-10x + more money annually than you do (if not more). Yeah work life balance ain't always amazing, but if you are willing to work hard, have the right credentials (certs, top ranked education, etc) it's worth the massive comp you get at such firms (tech, IB, MBBs, etc).

The case has been presented pretty well above, as well as resources to actually analyze the wages:

Fiscal Year* Maximum Median Average Minimum
2025 $284,000 $169,877 $171,534 $77,958
2024 $292,300 $162,000 $164,805 $83,700
2023 $310,000 $163,200 $164,938 $73,125
2022 $310,000 $150,000 $151,818 $72,500
2021 $260,000 $143,024 $145,691 $72,500
2020 $336,290 $142,462 $145,329 $70,000
2019 $311,500 $139,715 $141,623 $75,000
2018 $237,000 $136,687 $138,281 $65,728
2017 $247,802 $130,000 $132,727 $45,677
2016 $380,000 $125,492 $128,583 $65,000

What they don't tell you is they take advantage of third party "contractors", so those numbers look pretty good (not 10x anything in fact the Median in most cases is below what the standard is in most cases).

For example if you look at Bethesda, the median of H-1b is below the media wage for the area. There is truth to the fact that plumbers make more money than STEM.

Fiscal Year* Maximum Median Average Minimum
2025 $300,000 $115,730 $120,343 $58,857
2024 $390,000 $108,463 $114,652 $50,066
2023 $350,000 $104,557 $111,973 $51,600
2022 $250,000 $102,107 $108,544 $52,000
2021 $275,000 $97,594 $103,718 $45,594
2020 $300,000 $97,100 $103,551 $45,600
2019 $250,000 $96,595 $97,531 $40,000
2018 $650,000 $90,114 $92,262 $35,000
2017 $730,000 $79,040 $85,757 $17,992
2016 $253,998 $76,960 $82,135 $27,040

Anonymous wrote:Many Americans are capable of learning the skills needed for these jobs. What they won’t do is work 80 hours a week chained to a desk under the conditions that H1B workers endure. The tech companies will scream and cry that they can’t be globally competitive unless they hire H1B.

It’s time to accept that companies aren’t truly successful when profits depend on making lives miserable.

You realize that those H1Bs that work at the tech companies probably make (total comp) 5-10x + more money annually than you do (if not more). Yeah work life balance ain't always amazing, but if you are willing to work hard, have the right credentials (certs, top ranked education, etc) it's worth the massive comp you get at such firms (tech, IB, MBBs, etc).

Many Americans are capable of learning the skills needed for these jobs. What they won’t do is work 80 hours a week chained to a desk under the conditions that H1B workers endure. The tech companies will scream and cry that they can’t be globally competitive unless they hire H1B.

It’s time to accept that companies aren’t truly successful when profits depend on making lives miserable.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

We could abolish DOL and that would effectively end the program. In this instance I don't want more of those kinds of regulations. It is very frustrating. Let me give you an example.

Do you know how DOL goes about setting wage standards and to "prove" there are no applicants. The DOL has the companies post fake ad listings to test the market. They are called LCA and PERMs. There is even a rule that the companies can't tell you, there is no job for you. You can go look at these. I have and it is highly likely that I have been to a number of these interviews. The companies are hostile. They pull all kinds of punches. Fake tests, take home assignments etc. The upshot of this is that the DOL sets wages for people who work in STEM labor categories. Not really free after all.

With regulations like that who needs slavery.

DOL LCA and PERM search results:

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/eta/foreign-labor/performance

An easy to use web index of the data:
https://h1bgrader.com/lca-search

What is even more frustrating is when government agencies like the NIH report like half of their PERM searches fail. Seems like they should know better. We could abolish the NIH too while we're at it.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

Anonymous wrote:Keep ‘em coming! This is a great thread.

Definitely a lot of posters here say companies should be able to hire the “best” but obviously it means the cheapest most exploitable people who will work 80 hours a week chained to a desk.

that's correct. It's called capitalism.

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Anonymous wrote:Employers don't have to pay social security or medicare for that employee so that means they save 8% for each worker under OPT. Nearly 540,000 foreign nationals hold jobs in the U.S. without any FICA taxes taken out of their paychecks. This is costing the US billions and causing employers to give preference to foreign nationals over Americans.

At a minimum employers should be made to pay employment taxes.

There is so much that can be done. I don’t understand why Democrats are not leading the charge to stop the replacement of US citizens with cheap foreign labor .

We all know republicans are evil and will exploit workers, but what happened to Democrats? Why are they not repealing h1b and repealing OPT or doing something to fix these programs that hurt US citizens?

I constantly contact my reps , was Connolly, and he was the worst. He advocated FOR h1b and OPT. The emails I would receive from him talked about how the US needs skilled labor. He was completely clueless.

Now, I hear about recent US STEM college grads not landing jobs and older US workers losing jobs. But has that always been the case? I thought there was a long period of time when US grads were not sufficient to meet tech company needs. Lots of people were trying to encourage more US students to go into those stem majors. Not saying policies should be as they have been - companies are certainly taking advantage of low wages and exploitable foreign workers, at the expense of US workers. But there is some reason we got here in the first place.

Yes, the Visa system has been cooked by immigration lawyers and executive orders. There are people that are perpetually on the H-1b visa, because they don't have to do labor conditional searches to prove that the market is available. EG thought it is a "temporary visa" in practice they never go home. In a number of high-profile cases DOJ v Apple and DOJ v Meta. They showed that there were plenty of skilled American applicants. The companies were going out of their way to hide the market searches from skilled applicants. The other is that immigrants also run our STEM universities, and they do a poor job of transferring knowledge and promoting Americans that take their courses.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-secures-25-million-landmark-agreement-apple-resolve-employment

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-labor-departments-reach-settlements-facebook-resolving-claims-discrimination-against

So, the claims by American Tech executives are patently false.

Meta claimed this was the standard in the industry and you can easily go to the Washington post and search for all the jobs that have "snail mail" requirements. You can also go to your local unemployment site. EG Maryland Workforce Exchange and search for foreign LCA (they hide it you have to enable preferred employers only search in the advanced section).

https://classifiedsmarketplace.washingtonpost.com/marketplace//advert/computer-programmer-recruitment_718

Politically the problem is that the labor certifications are distributed across at least three agencies. DHS, USCIS, DOL and they are all corrupt. The DOJ started these cases under Trump, but the Biden admin let them off with a slap on the wrist and a settlement. All someone at the DOL, DHS and USCIS would have to do is require that these jobs get posted like every other recruiting eg on a popular job site like Indeed and on the companies, public facing and sophisticated job sites. But the agencies are all looking the other way, though there is hard evidence the programs are not functioning as promised.

Once an H1b always an H1b.

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Anonymous wrote:Employers don't have to pay social security or medicare for that employee so that means they save 8% for each worker under OPT. Nearly 540,000 foreign nationals hold jobs in the U.S. without any FICA taxes taken out of their paychecks. This is costing the US billions and causing employers to give preference to foreign nationals over Americans.

At a minimum employers should be made to pay employment taxes.

There is so much that can be done. I don’t understand why Democrats are not leading the charge to stop the replacement of US citizens with cheap foreign labor .

We all know republicans are evil and will exploit workers, but what happened to Democrats? Why are they not repealing h1b and repealing OPT or doing something to fix these programs that hurt US citizens?

I constantly contact my reps , was Connolly, and he was the worst. He advocated FOR h1b and OPT. The emails I would receive from him talked about how the US needs skilled labor. He was completely clueless.

Now, I hear about recent US STEM college grads not landing jobs and older US workers losing jobs. But has that always been the case? I thought there was a long period of time when US grads were not sufficient to meet tech company needs. Lots of people were trying to encourage more US students to go into those stem majors. Not saying policies should be as they have been - companies are certainly taking advantage of low wages and exploitable foreign workers, at the expense of US workers. But there is some reason we got here in the first place.

This has always been the case. US companies hire pajeet street shtters who are slaves to them directly or through staffing agencies. It’s a big scam.

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Anonymous wrote:Employers don't have to pay social security or medicare for that employee so that means they save 8% for each worker under OPT. Nearly 540,000 foreign nationals hold jobs in the U.S. without any FICA taxes taken out of their paychecks. This is costing the US billions and causing employers to give preference to foreign nationals over Americans.

At a minimum employers should be made to pay employment taxes.

There is so much that can be done. I don’t understand why Democrats are not leading the charge to stop the replacement of US citizens with cheap foreign labor .

We all know republicans are evil and will exploit workers, but what happened to Democrats? Why are they not repealing h1b and repealing OPT or doing something to fix these programs that hurt US citizens?

I constantly contact my reps , was Connolly, and he was the worst. He advocated FOR h1b and OPT. The emails I would receive from him talked about how the US needs skilled labor. He was completely clueless.

Now, I hear about recent US STEM college grads not landing jobs and older US workers losing jobs. But has that always been the case? I thought there was a long period of time when US grads were not sufficient to meet tech company needs. Lots of people were trying to encourage more US students to go into those stem majors. Not saying policies should be as they have been - companies are certainly taking advantage of low wages and exploitable foreign workers, at the expense of US workers. But there is some reason we got here in the first place.

Anonymous wrote:Employers don't have to pay social security or medicare for that employee so that means they save 8% for each worker under OPT. Nearly 540,000 foreign nationals hold jobs in the U.S. without any FICA taxes taken out of their paychecks. This is costing the US billions and causing employers to give preference to foreign nationals over Americans.

At a minimum employers should be made to pay employment taxes.

There is so much that can be done. I don’t understand why Democrats are not leading the charge to stop the replacement of US citizens with cheap foreign labor .

We all know republicans are evil and will exploit workers, but what happened to Democrats? Why are they not repealing h1b and repealing OPT or doing something to fix these programs that hurt US citizens?

I constantly contact my reps , was Connolly, and he was the worst. He advocated FOR h1b and OPT. The emails I would receive from him talked about how the US needs skilled labor. He was completely clueless.

Keep ‘em coming! This is a great thread.

Definitely a lot of posters here say companies should be able to hire the “best” but obviously it means the cheapest most exploitable people who will work 80 hours a week chained to a desk.

Anonymous wrote:Damnit I hate when Vance says something I actually agree with. Insanity to still be handing out H1Bs for CS work right now given the layoffs and difficulty of CS majors in finding jobs. Tech firms can do some internal training if they need to bridge skill gaps - just like most other companies do.

https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-issues-warning-h1-b-visa-immigration-2103296?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawLu_1FleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHggVzornDQc4-zR77B62fK6CwhsrSFtzDz3qlOpfStRtz8ZMeUVEIw5KIH2C_aem_039eRMW6a8E42zd4am4GBQ#Echobox=1753351866

Vance: "You see some big tech companies where they'll lay off 9,000 workers, and then they'll apply for a bunch of overseas visas. And I sort of wonder; that doesn't totally make sense to me.“

From article…
“Microsoft is facing mounting scrutiny over its use of the H-1B visa program after announcing a wave of layoffs in July that will impact approximately 9,000 employees globally.

The latest cuts, affecting about 4 percent of the company's total workforce, follow two earlier rounds in May and June, which together eliminated around 8,000 positions. In total, Microsoft has laid off nearly 16,000 employees so far this year, out of its global headcount of 228,000.

In the aftermath of the layoffs, social media posts began circulating on X, formerly Twitter, alleging that Microsoft has submitted applications for more than 6,000 H-1B visas since October, the start of the current fiscal year. While that specific figure has not been independently verified, official data shows that Microsoft filed 9,491 H-1B applications during the previous fiscal year, all of which were approved.”

It's one thing to talk about this; another thing to actually do something about it.

There is a very simple solution:

1. Raise the minimum salary for H-1B workers to reflect the fact that they supposedly have extremely rare skills that cannot be found in a nation of 350 million. I think a $250,000 minimum sounds about right. And, in my opinion, it could easily be much higher since these big tech companies routinely pay millions to poach engineers from other companies.

2. Institute a blackout period for layoffs. No H1-B visas should be approved for companies who have laid off workers in the past year, at least not for tech jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

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Or you could close the border and have a closed ecosystem with protective tariffs but then you’ll have to embrace some icky “ism” like nativism.

People from countries that don't have a free labor market like India or China serving as defacto indentured servants that are tied to their employer in some cases for life. Is that what you call free market? Funny how capitalism loves China a controlled economy. Doesn't make any sense does it. But somehow, I think you knew what you were saying was lipshitz. Democrats are liars. It's a straight up fact.