Vance is making his move, maybe.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-murdoch-fox-news-secret-meeting-b2769061.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody likes Vance. My prediction he’ll be impeached because that’s the only way Europe won’t excessively alter its trading partnerships with us. They despise Vance.

If Europe despises Vance it means he is doing something right. We do not want become a sickly, socialist Euro-weenie nation.

Europe is organized at its core. What you call socialism is a social safety net that actually works (in *most* member states) and isn’t weighed down by fraud and abuse. People aren’t calling ambulances for splinters just because they can. They have actual requirements to fulfill, but most of all, people cannot disappear.

The U.S. otoh is chaotic. One state doesn’t know what the other one is doing. One county doesn’t cooperate with the next. Criminals run free and disappear. (This includes people illegally here.). The social net here is dismal, and ineffective, with no accountability, and just perpetuates the cycles of poverty. The whole country is disjointed, unorganized, because there doesn’t seem to be a will to do so.

Anonymous wrote:OP, your question is like asking what is worse-- dying by lethal injection on death row or dying by a firing squad? Answer: Both are horrible. Taco + Hillbilly Elegy are both horrible.

+1

LOL but true unfortunately!

I actually think philosophically Vance is worse only because in the grand scheme of things at least Trump is gross and horrible authentically where Vance is more of a fake. I at least respect that Trump is a true monster but is exactly himself v Vance who is constantly kissing ass and truly has the charisma of a rock.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like Vance. Combat vet, Appalachian culture, articulate, relatable, normal.

He’s not a combat vet. He was in the press corps. He’s also from Ohio. He just sold idiots on that Appalachian bs.

He’s from southeastern Ohio which is culturally Appalachian. He went to Ohio State. He’s never pretended to not be from Ohio or sell anyone on anything different.

He is from Middletown, OH—which is in southWESTERN Ohio—in between Dayton and Cincinnati. It is absolutely NOT Appalachian. It is typical middle America suburbia.

OP, your question is like asking what is worse-- dying by lethal injection on death row or dying by a firing squad? Answer: Both are horrible. Taco + Hillbilly Elegy are both horrible.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like Vance. Combat vet, Appalachian culture, articulate, relatable, normal.

He’s not a combat vet. He was in the press corps. He’s also from Ohio. He just sold idiots on that Appalachian bs.

He’s from southeastern Ohio which is culturally Appalachian. He went to Ohio State. He’s never pretended to not be from Ohio or sell anyone on anything different.

“Culturally Appalachian” is such a stretch. So is every northern city culturally southern because of the Great Migration?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody likes Vance. My prediction he’ll be impeached because that’s the only way Europe won’t excessively alter its trading partnerships with us. They despise Vance.

This is silly. Countries don’t alter longstanding trading patterns because certain politicians don’t like others.

Anyways, European politicians don’t like him because he criticized them. His criticism was accurate and it’s more likely that the leaders he criticized will be voted out in a few years than he will. Europe is more likely to be run by Trump / Vance types in a few years than we are likely to go back to wokeness. I know that’s sad for you.

Do you think Europe is going to walk this back with President Vance? Lolololol

“American Allies Want to Redraw the World’s Trade Map, Minus the U.S.
Facing growing chaos, the European Union and numerous other countries are seeking to forge a global trading nexus that is less vulnerable to American tariffs.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/13/world/europe/trump-tariffs-trade-europe-us.html

And, from the bastion of conservatism, who hates Vance (“he’s not ready for prime time”):

“Europe Confronts Reality That Vance’s Hostility Is More Than Just a Show
Vice president has taken an aggressive stance, sparking fears for the trans-Atlantic alliance”

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/europe-jd-vance-trump-8fc67a79?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAiFgshheSxc_S6C6VuT_-X63whY23wJ5qUG8N_xeiuLus9omOTw7-Us&gaa_ts=687af003&gaa_sig=S3JoeMA4i_SezIXSYWeLIepjzPmIZ5OPb9qjxuZWn3vd4m0jEESQ35D_mQKKV6jUWWTQ5gMaukr-ioQE3jsnpw%3D%3D