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Anonymous wrote:I think she leaned over the balcony to throw up (not wanting to go inside the cabin and wake everybody or stink it up) and fell overboard. I don't think the Jas photo is her. Trafficking happens, but it's not middle class white ladies on cruise ships with their families.

This.

This makes the most sense.

If you’ve ever been in a cruise cabin, you know how small they are. The parents would be asleep in a bed between the balcony and bathroom. Opening the door would wake everyone up. It’s loud.

I think it’s very likely that she ended up in the ocean, but the door leading from the balcony into the cabin was left 10-14” open, per Amy’s dad. Either she or her brother had left it open. Her dad also says “something” awoke him around 6am. The something could have been Amy exiting the cabin into a hallway. There were young women on the ship who had spent time talking to Amy and claim they saw her take an elevator going up with Yellow (the musician) around 6am, but only Yellow came back down.

I’m not convinced she was smuggled off the ship, but there is no way that a scan card system is infallible. Shit happens and there isn’t 100% compliance with official procedures. A crew member would know how to sneak people or things off the ship.

The timeline isn’t exact.

And there tend to be a decent number of crew and passengers up and about at 6am (especially on a port day).

I think those girls might have seen them together earlier. Maybe.

But how could they see them going off together and him returning alone? Were they just parked by the elevator?

If that was the case, it would point towards a sexual assault and murder, not holding her prisoner someplace and finding a way to sneak her off a ship during a port day where they scan everyone getting off the boat.

I didn’t think it was an elevator. … The two girls said after they left the bar they weren’t quite ready to go to bed so they went up on the top deck to hang out. They claim they saw Amy and Yellow walking around there, but remember this was in the middle of the night after drinking and they didn’t know Amy personally.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she leaned over the balcony to throw up (not wanting to go inside the cabin and wake everybody or stink it up) and fell overboard. I don't think the Jas photo is her. Trafficking happens, but it's not middle class white ladies on cruise ships with their families.

This.

This makes the most sense.

If you’ve ever been in a cruise cabin, you know how small they are. The parents would be asleep in a bed between the balcony and bathroom. Opening the door would wake everyone up. It’s loud.

I think it’s very likely that she ended up in the ocean, but the door leading from the balcony into the cabin was left 10-14” open, per Amy’s dad. Either she or her brother had left it open. Her dad also says “something” awoke him around 6am. The something could have been Amy exiting the cabin into a hallway. There were young women on the ship who had spent time talking to Amy and claim they saw her take an elevator going up with Yellow (the musician) around 6am, but only Yellow came back down.

I’m not convinced she was smuggled off the ship, but there is no way that a scan card system is infallible. Shit happens and there isn’t 100% compliance with official procedures. A crew member would know how to sneak people or things off the ship.

The timeline isn’t exact.

And there tend to be a decent number of crew and passengers up and about at 6am (especially on a port day).

I think those girls might have seen them together earlier. Maybe.

But how could they see them going off together and him returning alone? Were they just parked by the elevator?

If that was the case, it would point towards a sexual assault and murder, not holding her prisoner someplace and finding a way to sneak her off a ship during a port day where they scan everyone getting off the boat.

Anonymous wrote:She was trafficked and killed

That just seems unlikely.

The crew member in the band basically would have risked his entire career as well as his freedom for what? To traffic one white girl? The risk isn’t worth the reward. He earned more with his 6 month cruise contract (that allowed him to not work the rest of the year) than potential cash for trafficking someone who very easily would stick out like a sore thumb on any island filled with people who aren’t white.

I’m still stumped as to why a lesbian who poured her heart out to a girl who ghosted her would hook up with an older black guy in the first place. Seems unlikely, which is why the theory of drugging her has caught on.

But remember the DC intern who went missing and everyone wanted to pin it on the elected official she was having an affair with? That theory didn’t make sense either: risk wasn’t worth the reward (and it eventually came out that she was murdered by some random hood).

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Anonymous wrote:I think she leaned over the balcony to throw up (not wanting to go inside the cabin and wake everybody or stink it up) and fell overboard. I don't think the Jas photo is her. Trafficking happens, but it's not middle class white ladies on cruise ships with their families.

This.

This makes the most sense.

If you’ve ever been in a cruise cabin, you know how small they are. The parents would be asleep in a bed between the balcony and bathroom. Opening the door would wake everyone up. It’s loud.

I think it’s very likely that she ended up in the ocean, but the door leading from the balcony into the cabin was left 10-14” open, per Amy’s dad. Either she or her brother had left it open. Her dad also says “something” awoke him around 6am. The something could have been Amy exiting the cabin into a hallway. There were young women on the ship who had spent time talking to Amy and claim they saw her take an elevator going up with Yellow (the musician) around 6am, but only Yellow came back down.

I’m not convinced she was smuggled off the ship, but there is no way that a scan card system is infallible. Shit happens and there isn’t 100% compliance with official procedures. A crew member would know how to sneak people or things off the ship.

She was trafficked and killed

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Anonymous wrote:Are you speculating she was kidnapped and somehow taken off the boat and living in an island?

There’s no way that happened.

If you’ve cruised, you know they tightly control who gets on and off—including crew. They scan your card and match a photo to each person before they exit. No way anyone could just walk off.

Snd fell off, jumped off, or was pushed off. Those are the only 3 options.

Have you actually watched all 3 episodes of the documentary?

Have you actually walked on or off a cruise ship? There’s one exit and they scan your card and match the picture on file with the person. Nobody gets on or off without the cruise line knowing. It’s just not possible.

Was this the case in 1998?

Of course.

How else could they possibly know who was on or off the ship? They need to track this info carefully.

I mean, technologically speaking? Scanning what with what in 1998?

This reminds me of when my kids asked me if phones had been invented when I was growing up. You don’t think there were scanners and cards with magnetic stripes on 1998?

Think back to what your library card looked like or your student ID in college.

Of course this existed in 1998.

Anonymous wrote:I watched. I believe she was drugged and taken off ship.

Same. I had never heard of this story before, and I fully expected that by the end of the last episode, they would have found her.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you speculating she was kidnapped and somehow taken off the boat and living in an island?

There’s no way that happened.

If you’ve cruised, you know they tightly control who gets on and off—including crew. They scan your card and match a photo to each person before they exit. No way anyone could just walk off.

Snd fell off, jumped off, or was pushed off. Those are the only 3 options.

Have you actually watched all 3 episodes of the documentary?

Have you actually walked on or off a cruise ship? There’s one exit and they scan your card and match the picture on file with the person. Nobody gets on or off without the cruise line knowing. It’s just not possible.

Was this the case in 1998?

Of course.

How else could they possibly know who was on or off the ship? They need to track this info carefully.

I mean, technologically speaking? Scanning what with what in 1998?

This reminds me of when my kids asked me if phones had been invented when I was growing up. You don’t think there were scanners and cards with magnetic stripes on 1998?

In 1998-cruise ships did NOT have scanners for checking out like they do now.

I watched. I believe she was drugged and taken off ship.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you speculating she was kidnapped and somehow taken off the boat and living in an island?

There’s no way that happened.

If you’ve cruised, you know they tightly control who gets on and off—including crew. They scan your card and match a photo to each person before they exit. No way anyone could just walk off.

Snd fell off, jumped off, or was pushed off. Those are the only 3 options.

Have you actually watched all 3 episodes of the documentary?

Have you actually walked on or off a cruise ship? There’s one exit and they scan your card and match the picture on file with the person. Nobody gets on or off without the cruise line knowing. It’s just not possible.

Was this the case in 1998?

Of course.

How else could they possibly know who was on or off the ship? They need to track this info carefully.

I mean, technologically speaking? Scanning what with what in 1998?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you speculating she was kidnapped and somehow taken off the boat and living in an island?

There’s no way that happened.

If you’ve cruised, you know they tightly control who gets on and off—including crew. They scan your card and match a photo to each person before they exit. No way anyone could just walk off.

Snd fell off, jumped off, or was pushed off. Those are the only 3 options.

Have you actually watched all 3 episodes of the documentary?

Have you actually walked on or off a cruise ship? There’s one exit and they scan your card and match the picture on file with the person. Nobody gets on or off without the cruise line knowing. It’s just not possible.

Was this the case in 1998?

Of course.

How else could they possibly know who was on or off the ship? They need to track this info carefully.

Anonymous wrote:I think she leaned over the balcony to throw up (not wanting to go inside the cabin and wake everybody or stink it up) and fell overboard. I don't think the Jas photo is her. Trafficking happens, but it's not middle class white ladies on cruise ships with their families.

This.

This makes the most sense.

If you’ve ever been in a cruise cabin, you know how small they are. The parents would be asleep in a bed between the balcony and bathroom. Opening the door would wake everyone up. It’s loud.

I think she leaned over the balcony to throw up (not wanting to go inside the cabin and wake everybody or stink it up) and fell overboard. I don't think the Jas photo is her. Trafficking happens, but it's not middle class white ladies on cruise ships with their families.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you speculating she was kidnapped and somehow taken off the boat and living in an island?

There’s no way that happened.

If you’ve cruised, you know they tightly control who gets on and off—including crew. They scan your card and match a photo to each person before they exit. No way anyone could just walk off.

Snd fell off, jumped off, or was pushed off. Those are the only 3 options.

Have you actually watched all 3 episodes of the documentary?

Have you actually walked on or off a cruise ship? There’s one exit and they scan your card and match the picture on file with the person. Nobody gets on or off without the cruise line knowing. It’s just not possible.

Was this the case in 1998?