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Anonymous wrote:Mom of a D3 college swimmer male. We had a list of approximately 20 schools that were academic fits and where he could score at conference meets (mid major patriot league, caa and top D3, UAA, NESAC). I stressed academic fit (great student, engineering major). It worked out for us, I think in part because we knew that there would be no swimming money and the school was a good academic fit. Others on his club team went P4 and D1 and have not had the same experience. They have been cut and two transferred.

Did he have lots of other ECs too? TIA

A few not a ton of other ECs, he had a very high GPA and very good SAT scores, swimming was the primary EC and it is so time consuming. Good luck!

Thanks. DD has a very high GPA in her freshman year. I was always wondering if swimming could be her only EC to get recruited by some less competitive Ivy schools or good D3 schools, assuming she continues doing well in classroom and gets 1550+ SAT. She has a couple of futures time and her first swimcloud ranking is expected to be somewhere around 300~400.

Is this a joke? Very high GPA, 1550+ SAT, multiple futures times/top 300 in the country and wondering if a good D3 school would be interested.

She doesn't have any other ECs. I thought her swimming and academic resume could be strong enough to draw some attention from top D3 schools like Amherst or Williams, but what about Ivy Schools that I thought many athletes had lots of other ECs like music, debating etc.?

What matters for Ivies beyond grades and test scores is being fast. Some very fast swimmers end up at Harvard, Princeton, Penn, etc. Also what matters is what events your kid swims and the team’s needs. Other ECs are not important for recruited athletes

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Anonymous wrote:OVs occur in the fall around big football games usually

How many do they invite per gender?

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Anonymous wrote:It can be based on need. Maybe they need to recruit deeper into the class for a specific stroke/event.

It can be based on volume. Some coaches take the "throw everything at the bus" approach and see what sticks. Worst case scenario they have too much interest and start ghosting kids that aren't as fast as other kids responding.

It can be based on a more in depth look into the swimmer. Maybe they aren't quite there yet but they have been dropping tons of time or they saw the swimmer at a meet and noticed they are a 5'11" female.

Remember, just because you get contacted doesnt mean they actually want you on the team right now or would offer you a spot/money. It's like a dating app right now. You save your favorites and reach out to the ones you might be interested in but you'll only need up with a few you "bring on a date" aka the official visit

When do they reach back out for official visit?

Anonymous wrote:OVs occur in the fall around big football games usually

Anonymous wrote:It can be based on need. Maybe they need to recruit deeper into the class for a specific stroke/event.

It can be based on volume. Some coaches take the "throw everything at the bus" approach and see what sticks. Worst case scenario they have too much interest and start ghosting kids that aren't as fast as other kids responding.

It can be based on a more in depth look into the swimmer. Maybe they aren't quite there yet but they have been dropping tons of time or they saw the swimmer at a meet and noticed they are a 5'11" female.

Remember, just because you get contacted doesnt mean they actually want you on the team right now or would offer you a spot/money. It's like a dating app right now. You save your favorites and reach out to the ones you might be interested in but you'll only need up with a few you "bring on a date" aka the official visit

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Anonymous wrote:Respond to above, I’m not sure that’s true that ECs don’t matter - at Harvard the rule for recruiting is “the broken leg” rule, meaning the admissions committee asks “would we want this person on campus even if they broke their leg and couldn’t compete”

I’m assuming that’s true for Yale or Princeton as well. For other mid-majors and certainly power 4 it doesn’t matter

If your swimmer has Futures times and good stats, d3s are a good target. Ivies still want Winter Juniors times if not Summer Juniors at least is what we’ve been told

Does that mean a swimmer has a winter junior time with very strong numbers in academics (i.e. 4.8 GPA + 1550 SA) would be recruitable at an ivy school without additional ECs?

Anonymous wrote:Respond to above, I’m not sure that’s true that ECs don’t matter - at Harvard the rule for recruiting is “the broken leg” rule, meaning the admissions committee asks “would we want this person on campus even if they broke their leg and couldn’t compete”

I’m assuming that’s true for Yale or Princeton as well. For other mid-majors and certainly power 4 it doesn’t matter

If your swimmer has Futures times and good stats, d3s are a good target. Ivies still want Winter Juniors times if not Summer Juniors at least is what we’ve been told

Anonymous wrote:Former college coach here.

#1 rule that applied before HOUSE and even more relevant now is....

If you don't score in the conference meet, don't expect to get scholarship. And now, don't expect a roster spot in a Power 4 unless you're looking at a bottom 25% of the conference school.

If you have sectional cuts and good to excellent academics, you belong at a D3 school.

If they aren't calling you, you aren't a priority. Focus on who engages with you.