Anonymous wrote:Our rule is that if you placed 1st/2nd/3rd at the A meet, you can't swim that stroke at the following B meet. I think it's a good compromise in keeping the focus on development vs winning, while giving all kids an opportunity to swim.

My kid swims the same two strokes at every A meet. B meets are his only opportunity to swim the other two strokes or IM. If he wants to be considered for those strokes for a future A meet (or divisionals for IM), he has to swim them at B meets. For kids who swim at an A meet but don't place, the B meet is good practice to keep improving.

We have the same rule except for the meets before divisionals and Relays, just to give the kids another chance at swimming the strokes for placement times.

Our rule is that if you placed 1st/2nd/3rd at the A meet, you can't swim that stroke at the following B meet. I think it's a good compromise in keeping the focus on development vs winning, while giving all kids an opportunity to swim.

My kid swims the same two strokes at every A meet. B meets are his only opportunity to swim the other two strokes or IM. If he wants to be considered for those strokes for a future A meet (or divisionals for IM), he has to swim them at B meets. For kids who swim at an A meet but don't place, the B meet is good practice to keep improving.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because kids don't get to pick their strokes for the A meet, plus there's IM. My daughter had to swim breast for years because no one else could. Her only chance for fly was the B meets.

+1. DS is the fastest back stroker in his NVSL division but never gets to swim it at A meets because he is also fast at fly and breast, and that’s what the team needs.

Yes, this is why it is sometimes hard for swimmers on the bubble for All-Stars to know which events would be their best shot. There are hosts of swimmers who haven’t even swum some events in A meets all summer (so their times are not in mynvsl), but will absolutely pick that event for divisionals. (And knowing who will swim IM is a crapshoot, at least in NVSL.) For anyone whose child is in this predicament, I highly recommend you cross reference club times in one of the databases too.

Don’t the coaches pick the lineup for divisionals? The swimmers don’t choose.

There is no lineup for NVSL Divisionals. It isn’t a team competition. Swimmers choose, and most teams allow the top swimmers on the ladder to pick first.

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

Holy crap, you have some serious issues if you are deep diving swimio for summer league.

NP. PP opened the door when PP stated that the fastest summer league swimmers are, at best, “B” swimmers.

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

Holy crap, you have some serious issues if you are deep diving swimio for summer league.

All due respect, but A Meet swimmers in the upper divisions are mostly club swimmers. If a coach is planning out who swims where to win, they would be foolish not to look at club times. There aren’t enough summer SCM times to make decisions about where to place swimmers when the other team also has A to AAAA swimmers. You must be the a$$hole gaslighter from the other threads. BLOCK.

DP. Are you a coach? No? Then you are way over the top looking that deeply into other kids’ times. Let. This. Be. Your. Child’s. Thing. Not your thing.

Former team rep, D2 at the time. Coaches consult club times when they can’t find event-specific times for the other team’s swimmers in NVSL database. Otherwise, they can’t know how to seed their own swimmers. And folks, every coach does it if the other team has club swimmers. I don’t know why it is so hard to grasp that, like youth soccer, youth football, youth baseball, *teams want to win swim meets.* To do that, coaches must have updated times from the A meet swimmers on the other team. And guess what? USA Swimming’s database has all the most recent times of that swimmer. Most coaches don’t need to convert times to see whether their competitors’ swimmers are similar to their own swimmers. They can eyeball it, and it informs where they place their own swimmers for the A Meet.

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

Holy crap, you have some serious issues if you are deep diving swimio for summer league.

All due respect, but A Meet swimmers in the upper divisions are mostly club swimmers. If a coach is planning out who swims where to win, they would be foolish not to look at club times. There aren’t enough summer SCM times to make decisions about where to place swimmers when the other team also has A to AAAA swimmers. You must be the a$$hole gaslighter from the other threads. BLOCK.

NP. And agree with PPs. You are crazy. Club times give a general view but the conversions are not accurate. I know kids a who do better in the longer SCM than the SCY and blocks have a HUGE impact on swimmers. So the times are not comparable.

Summer swim is 50s and opens success to good athletes. I know one 13 year old that swam one day a week during club season but played soccer seriously and had incredible times in summer making all stars every year.

The calculation changes when you move to 100s and more.

But stalking summer swimmers is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

Holy crap, you have some serious issues if you are deep diving swimio for summer league.

All due respect, but A Meet swimmers in the upper divisions are mostly club swimmers. If a coach is planning out who swims where to win, they would be foolish not to look at club times. There aren’t enough summer SCM times to make decisions about where to place swimmers when the other team also has A to AAAA swimmers. You must be the a$$hole gaslighter from the other threads. BLOCK.

DP. Are you a coach? No? Then you are way over the top looking that deeply into other kids’ times. Let. This. Be. Your. Child’s. Thing. Not your thing.

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

Holy crap, you have some serious issues if you are deep diving swimio for summer league.

All due respect, but A Meet swimmers in the upper divisions are mostly club swimmers. If a coach is planning out who swims where to win, they would be foolish not to look at club times. There aren’t enough summer SCM times to make decisions about where to place swimmers when the other team also has A to AAAA swimmers. You must be the a$$hole gaslighter from the other threads. BLOCK.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because kids don't get to pick their strokes for the A meet, plus there's IM. My daughter had to swim breast for years because no one else could. Her only chance for fly was the B meets.

+1. DS is the fastest back stroker in his NVSL division but never gets to swim it at A meets because he is also fast at fly and breast, and that’s what the team needs.

That seems like some screwy seeding unless there are other fast backstrokers so your swimmer is redundant for getting points. Then that would make sense to use him on his other strokes.

Yes, if your 2/3/4 ladder kids can still get the same points as 1/2/3 (maybe they place 2,3,4 or 1,3,4 regardless) then the kids sometimes get put into events where they can get points. This can also happen with the 8U or 9-10 year rounders where they have a consistent legal FL or BR but are only ahead by a bit in FR, they get put in FL or BR instead of FR to get the points

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

Holy crap, you have some serious issues if you are deep diving swimio for summer league.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because kids don't get to pick their strokes for the A meet, plus there's IM. My daughter had to swim breast for years because no one else could. Her only chance for fly was the B meets.

+1. DS is the fastest back stroker in his NVSL division but never gets to swim it at A meets because he is also fast at fly and breast, and that’s what the team needs.

That seems like some screwy seeding unless there are other fast backstrokers so your swimmer is redundant for getting points. Then that would make sense to use him on his other strokes.

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

I’ll also point out swimstandards.com imports and correlates MCSL/NVSL times and can link them to the USA swimming record. It’s obviously not comparable but allows you to easily swap back and forth beteween summer vs year round.