if you are in enforcement and part of the union, you would’ve known what I’m talking about

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Anonymous wrote:anyone else feel more disheartened after the meeting yesterday? Sounds like this is a known proposition.

was this meeting specific to a division? I am enf and have no idea what you’re talking about.

Greg is meeting with the different divisions individually so its unlikely anyone here is going to know anything about the meeting the PP went to.

You guys now in NYC at jobs people cant afford to live nearby and lived far away for years.

I worked with a guy on Wall Street who did the commute Wall Street to Poconos every day for 30 years. He was in the back office, wanted a big house for family in a country like setting.

I recall there was 4 pm "express bus". He work from 7am to 345 pm every day. Give him time to pack up and get to bus stop a bit early to get a good seat.

But moving far from work is a personal choice. He spent 5 hours commuting on a good day. Often more. And for 30 years. He spent 36,000 hours on the damm bus.

Anonymous wrote:anyone else feel more disheartened after the meeting yesterday? Sounds like this is a known proposition.

was this meeting specific to a division? I am enf and have no idea what you’re talking about.

anyone else feel more disheartened after the meeting yesterday? Sounds like this is a known proposition.

i would respond. it will go to senior mgmt and maybe PA will do something

The rockstar.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t hear a thing from the union for months (amid all the craziness), and now they suddenly make a request. I guess it’s ok not to be a “dues paying member” when they need something.

Request for what? People to join?

If you worked there or were BU you’d know as everyone got it. If you don’t or aren’t, don’t worry about it.

PP whether you feel slighted or not, pretty sure it’s in everyone’s benefit to respond.

Yeah, sure. Whatever they need. I’m here to help. They’ve done such an amazing job this year to protect employee rights. What can I do to assist? Happy to risk my career to respond to their questions and go out on a limb to help GG.

Huh? Pretty sure you don't work there and haven't seen the email.

Yeah, I just got lucky guessing his initials.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t hear a thing from the union for months (amid all the craziness), and now they suddenly make a request. I guess it’s ok not to be a “dues paying member” when they need something.

Request for what? People to join?

If you worked there or were BU you’d know as everyone got it. If you don’t or aren’t, don’t worry about it.

PP whether you feel slighted or not, pretty sure it’s in everyone’s benefit to respond.

Yeah, sure. Whatever they need. I’m here to help. They’ve done such an amazing job this year to protect employee rights. What can I do to assist? Happy to risk my career to respond to their questions and go out on a limb to help GG.

Huh? Pretty sure you don't work there and haven't seen the email.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t hear a thing from the union for months (amid all the craziness), and now they suddenly make a request. I guess it’s ok not to be a “dues paying member” when they need something.

Request for what? People to join?

If you worked there or were BU you’d know as everyone got it. If you don’t or aren’t, don’t worry about it.

PP whether you feel slighted or not, pretty sure it’s in everyone’s benefit to respond.

Yeah, sure. Whatever they need. I’m here to help. They’ve done such an amazing job this year to protect employee rights. What can I do to assist? Happy to risk my career to respond to their questions and go out on a limb to help GG.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t hear a thing from the union for months (amid all the craziness), and now they suddenly make a request. I guess it’s ok not to be a “dues paying member” when they need something.

Request for what? People to join?

If you worked there or were BU you’d know as everyone got it. If you don’t or aren’t, don’t worry about it.

PP whether you feel slighted or not, pretty sure it’s in everyone’s benefit to respond.

Anonymous wrote:Don’t hear a thing from the union for months (amid all the craziness), and now they suddenly make a request. I guess it’s ok not to be a “dues paying member” when they need something.

Request for what? People to join?

Don’t hear a thing from the union for months (amid all the craziness), and now they suddenly make a request. I guess it’s ok not to be a “dues paying member” when they need something.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame anyone for having a different opinion about TW. Reasonable, fair minded people can disagree.

What I DO have a problem with is just throwing out an agreement signed 2 years ago, which folks relied upon to organize their lives,just bc you don’t like it. THAT’s the issue, not TW. And it speaks volumes about anyone who would do that. It’s beyond the pale.

I don’t even like TW. But I also have a sense of justice and fairness.

If you don’t like the CBA, well guess what — it will expire. Wait patiently like any 8 yo would and then negotiate a different one.

Exactly. It’s not about liking or deserving TW, it’s that Paul should realized people relied on a contract. No idea if he’s a lawyer or not nor do I care. More than one person in my group bought a house in the last 5 yrs - and in reliance on the CBA bought further than they would have. Not so far that they can’t commute but far enough that commuting adds 2-4 hrs to their day which was doable 1-2 days/wk and less so 5 days per week.

Corporate America hates unions. We have been taken over by corporate America.

Govt unions can’t strike, so in reality they a toothless. They were negotiated with to help politics, but clearly the govt vote is no longer being courted.

I’m sorry, the CBA is only valid for 3 years; buying a house 2 hours away from your job is foolish.

I agree. I have been bargaining and non bargaining unit at the SEC. We are lucky that we still benefit from higher compensation and benefits due to the union. People need to figure out commutes, move or find another job.

In this case, someone at the SEC is accepting a long commute in exchange for above standard compensation. Most employees at the SEC could not find a 40 hour a week job earning what they earn.

My guess is the person could find a job earning 100k less in exchange for 2 hours less of commuting a day.

They just need to move. The extreme commute was an unforced error on their part. Just because they wanted more acreage or a nicer house. When they already made a TON of money at SEC.

In this market, its more like afford a condo with more than one bedroom so you are not sleeping in the same room as your kid forever.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame anyone for having a different opinion about TW. Reasonable, fair minded people can disagree.

What I DO have a problem with is just throwing out an agreement signed 2 years ago, which folks relied upon to organize their lives,just bc you don’t like it. THAT’s the issue, not TW. And it speaks volumes about anyone who would do that. It’s beyond the pale.

I don’t even like TW. But I also have a sense of justice and fairness.

If you don’t like the CBA, well guess what — it will expire. Wait patiently like any 8 yo would and then negotiate a different one.

Exactly. It’s not about liking or deserving TW, it’s that Paul should realized people relied on a contract. No idea if he’s a lawyer or not nor do I care. More than one person in my group bought a house in the last 5 yrs - and in reliance on the CBA bought further than they would have. Not so far that they can’t commute but far enough that commuting adds 2-4 hrs to their day which was doable 1-2 days/wk and less so 5 days per week.

Corporate America hates unions. We have been taken over by corporate America.

Govt unions can’t strike, so in reality they a toothless. They were negotiated with to help politics, but clearly the govt vote is no longer being courted.

I’m sorry, the CBA is only valid for 3 years; buying a house 2 hours away from your job is foolish.

I agree. I have been bargaining and non bargaining unit at the SEC. We are lucky that we still benefit from higher compensation and benefits due to the union. People need to figure out commutes, move or find another job.

In this case, someone at the SEC is accepting a long commute in exchange for above standard compensation. Most employees at the SEC could not find a 40 hour a week job earning what they earn.

My guess is the person could find a job earning 100k less in exchange for 2 hours less of commuting a day.

They just need to move. The extreme commute was an unforced error on their part. Just because they wanted more acreage or a nicer house. When they already made a TON of money at SEC.

Nonsense. What was the point of the CBA (or the union) if it could just be thrown out with impunity?

Btw, if they can scrap telework, they can scrap other parts of the CBA too. As well as cut pay.

They absolutely can do that. The union has always been a polite fiction.

Also, the CBA only covers 3 years — the extreme commute could still have this problem in 2027 even if they honored the CBA

This is how employment has worked for most Americans and unfortunately it now does that as well for Feds, which means they will likely be unable to hire for a generation unless we get a crushing recession.