Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 08:51     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.


I’m the PP who mentioned statins. There is nothing wrong with them if you really need them. It seems like a lot of people need them though. So, I wonder if there is a way to not need them.


Well, yes, if we changed the standard American diet, many people would not need statins. But people either don't want to or are unable to do so.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 08:46     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably, but you'll have to take my GLP1s out of my dead thin hands. No amount of "willpower" can fix metabolic issues. I'm sure some people feel the same way about anti-depressants.


Imagine a world where we had better quality food, and better quality of life, and we didn't have to medicate away our minds and bodies.

Eff yes, we're overmedicated! We basically have to be. How else are we supposed to get through all this nonsense, stay sane enough to work, and stay attractive enough that people find us valuable? It's "take this med and get back to work" and "take this drug and stop eating", not "here are affordable groceries and time to prepare healthy foods, go to the gym, and get adequate rest" or "just use your paid sick leave until you're doing better. Feel free to alter your schedule as needed to accommodate childcare, etc."

We don't get to live free lives. We get drugs, and not even free drugs; we have to be lucky enough to pay for the "good insurance" and concierge practice just to be seen and prescribed them!

It's gross, but that's what it is, and PP's comment illustrates it clearly.


Oh—this is a MAHA thread!

No thanks, you fascists.


Would love MAHA if it really meant affordable groceries with time to prepare them, flexible work schedules, and unlimited sick time that I could really take.


+1 what we really need are societal and environmental changes. MAHA is focusing narrowly on a few issues of individual choice, which absolves power — both public and private — from the responsibility of making broader changes that would improve most people’s lives. If you get sick it’s your fault — end of story. This isn’t how healthy societies operate.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 07:25     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.


I’m the PP who mentioned statins. There is nothing wrong with them if you really need them. It seems like a lot of people need them though. So, I wonder if there is a way to not need them.


I had near-optimal LDL, terrific lab results in general, and I exercise regularly, eat well, etc… but I take a statin because doctors discovered I have very common heart defect that’s been there since childhood — basically a bit of extra tissue that causes no harm…unless an ordinary clot happens to hide beneath it, in which case the heart’s usual filtering process won’t clear it.

If someone just looked only at my lab tests, they’d be like, “this person doesn’t need a statin! That’s absurd!” And yet I do. (I also take a daily aspirin).

Point is, doctors are managing all kinds of risks that we can’t see. It’s easy to be cynical, but bodies are complicated, and early death and debilitation used to be the norm.


You are in the category of people who really need them. That’s exactly what it’s for. Like you said, it can have nothing to do with outside appearance or lifestyle choices. But, generally speaking, statins are heavily prescribed. There is nothing wrong with statins or any other medication. But Americans take a lot of pills without a corresponding long lifespan for equivalent countries. This isn’t MAHA or anything like that. If anything, it’s curiosity.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 07:16     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably, but you'll have to take my GLP1s out of my dead thin hands. No amount of "willpower" can fix metabolic issues. I'm sure some people feel the same way about anti-depressants.


Imagine a world where we had better quality food, and better quality of life, and we didn't have to medicate away our minds and bodies.

Eff yes, we're overmedicated! We basically have to be. How else are we supposed to get through all this nonsense, stay sane enough to work, and stay attractive enough that people find us valuable? It's "take this med and get back to work" and "take this drug and stop eating", not "here are affordable groceries and time to prepare healthy foods, go to the gym, and get adequate rest" or "just use your paid sick leave until you're doing better. Feel free to alter your schedule as needed to accommodate childcare, etc."

We don't get to live free lives. We get drugs, and not even free drugs; we have to be lucky enough to pay for the "good insurance" and concierge practice just to be seen and prescribed them!

It's gross, but that's what it is, and PP's comment illustrates it clearly.


Oh—this is a MAHA thread!

No thanks, you fascists.


Would love MAHA if it really meant affordable groceries with time to prepare them, flexible work schedules, and unlimited sick time that I could really take.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 07:07     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Everyone so mad at big pharma — about whom I have very mixed feelings at best — should really look deeper into pharmacy benefit management companies. PBMs are the worst of the worst, inhuman frankly, and they are way more influential on your actual health care than big pharma, as they have gobbled up almost every point of the healthcare decision process (and they are coming for your doctor’s office next).

Pfizer has annual revenues of $8 billion. By contrast, United Healthcare Group is more than $400 billion, CVS Caremark nearly $400 billion. You hate corporatized medicine? Get to know PBMs.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 06:47     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably, but you'll have to take my GLP1s out of my dead thin hands. No amount of "willpower" can fix metabolic issues. I'm sure some people feel the same way about anti-depressants.


Imagine a world where we had better quality food, and better quality of life, and we didn't have to medicate away our minds and bodies.

Eff yes, we're overmedicated! We basically have to be. How else are we supposed to get through all this nonsense, stay sane enough to work, and stay attractive enough that people find us valuable? It's "take this med and get back to work" and "take this drug and stop eating", not "here are affordable groceries and time to prepare healthy foods, go to the gym, and get adequate rest" or "just use your paid sick leave until you're doing better. Feel free to alter your schedule as needed to accommodate childcare, etc."

We don't get to live free lives. We get drugs, and not even free drugs; we have to be lucky enough to pay for the "good insurance" and concierge practice just to be seen and prescribed them!

It's gross, but that's what it is, and PP's comment illustrates it clearly.


Oh—this is a MAHA thread!

No thanks, you fascists.


Best comment.


You sockpuppeted to boost your own stupid comment? low-grade troll move


No I’m the pp who takes a statin for a heart defect, and I didn’t make the fascist comment. You have no reason to believe me, but fyi you are wrong. Hope you have a great day, though.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 06:33     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably, but you'll have to take my GLP1s out of my dead thin hands. No amount of "willpower" can fix metabolic issues. I'm sure some people feel the same way about anti-depressants.


Imagine a world where we had better quality food, and better quality of life, and we didn't have to medicate away our minds and bodies.

Eff yes, we're overmedicated! We basically have to be. How else are we supposed to get through all this nonsense, stay sane enough to work, and stay attractive enough that people find us valuable? It's "take this med and get back to work" and "take this drug and stop eating", not "here are affordable groceries and time to prepare healthy foods, go to the gym, and get adequate rest" or "just use your paid sick leave until you're doing better. Feel free to alter your schedule as needed to accommodate childcare, etc."

We don't get to live free lives. We get drugs, and not even free drugs; we have to be lucky enough to pay for the "good insurance" and concierge practice just to be seen and prescribed them!

It's gross, but that's what it is, and PP's comment illustrates it clearly.


Oh—this is a MAHA thread!

No thanks, you fascists.


Best comment.


You sockpuppeted to boost your own stupid comment? low-grade troll move
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 06:33     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably, but you'll have to take my GLP1s out of my dead thin hands. No amount of "willpower" can fix metabolic issues. I'm sure some people feel the same way about anti-depressants.


Imagine a world where we had better quality food, and better quality of life, and we didn't have to medicate away our minds and bodies.

Eff yes, we're overmedicated! We basically have to be. How else are we supposed to get through all this nonsense, stay sane enough to work, and stay attractive enough that people find us valuable? It's "take this med and get back to work" and "take this drug and stop eating", not "here are affordable groceries and time to prepare healthy foods, go to the gym, and get adequate rest" or "just use your paid sick leave until you're doing better. Feel free to alter your schedule as needed to accommodate childcare, etc."

We don't get to live free lives. We get drugs, and not even free drugs; we have to be lucky enough to pay for the "good insurance" and concierge practice just to be seen and prescribed them!

It's gross, but that's what it is, and PP's comment illustrates it clearly.


Oh—this is a MAHA thread!

No thanks, you fascists.


Reading comprehension isn't your strength, is it? The PP is pointing out that we're drugged into compliance for corporate/gov't gain. You think that's a MAHA talking point, when it's MAGA that stands to benefit from a compliant population?

Some of you are so quick to judge "MAHA" that you're aligning with it.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 00:40     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably, but you'll have to take my GLP1s out of my dead thin hands. No amount of "willpower" can fix metabolic issues. I'm sure some people feel the same way about anti-depressants.


Imagine a world where we had better quality food, and better quality of life, and we didn't have to medicate away our minds and bodies.

Eff yes, we're overmedicated! We basically have to be. How else are we supposed to get through all this nonsense, stay sane enough to work, and stay attractive enough that people find us valuable? It's "take this med and get back to work" and "take this drug and stop eating", not "here are affordable groceries and time to prepare healthy foods, go to the gym, and get adequate rest" or "just use your paid sick leave until you're doing better. Feel free to alter your schedule as needed to accommodate childcare, etc."

We don't get to live free lives. We get drugs, and not even free drugs; we have to be lucky enough to pay for the "good insurance" and concierge practice just to be seen and prescribed them!

It's gross, but that's what it is, and PP's comment illustrates it clearly.


Oh—this is a MAHA thread!

No thanks, you fascists.


Best comment.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 00:31     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably, but you'll have to take my GLP1s out of my dead thin hands. No amount of "willpower" can fix metabolic issues. I'm sure some people feel the same way about anti-depressants.


Imagine a world where we had better quality food, and better quality of life, and we didn't have to medicate away our minds and bodies.

Eff yes, we're overmedicated! We basically have to be. How else are we supposed to get through all this nonsense, stay sane enough to work, and stay attractive enough that people find us valuable? It's "take this med and get back to work" and "take this drug and stop eating", not "here are affordable groceries and time to prepare healthy foods, go to the gym, and get adequate rest" or "just use your paid sick leave until you're doing better. Feel free to alter your schedule as needed to accommodate childcare, etc."

We don't get to live free lives. We get drugs, and not even free drugs; we have to be lucky enough to pay for the "good insurance" and concierge practice just to be seen and prescribed them!

It's gross, but that's what it is, and PP's comment illustrates it clearly.


Oh—this is a MAHA thread!

No thanks, you fascists.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2025 23:58     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.


I’m the PP who mentioned statins. There is nothing wrong with them if you really need them. It seems like a lot of people need them though. So, I wonder if there is a way to not need them.


I had near-optimal LDL, terrific lab results in general, and I exercise regularly, eat well, etc… but I take a statin because doctors discovered I have very common heart defect that’s been there since childhood — basically a bit of extra tissue that causes no harm…unless an ordinary clot happens to hide beneath it, in which case the heart’s usual filtering process won’t clear it.

If someone just looked only at my lab tests, they’d be like, “this person doesn’t need a statin! That’s absurd!” And yet I do. (I also take a daily aspirin).

Point is, doctors are managing all kinds of risks that we can’t see. It’s easy to be cynical, but bodies are complicated, and early death and debilitation used to be the norm.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2025 23:37     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.


Yep. Life expectancy is up since statins were introduced in the 80s. Thank god.

We have the worst heart disease in the world. Why? Pharma profits.


Sedentary lifestyles, streets without sidewalks, roads designed for cars, junk food subsidized at higher rates than healthy food, long work hours combined with long commutes, food deserts, so many things really.

Anonymous
Post 06/02/2025 22:50     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Probably, but you'll have to take my GLP1s out of my dead thin hands. No amount of "willpower" can fix metabolic issues. I'm sure some people feel the same way about anti-depressants.


Imagine a world where we had better quality food, and better quality of life, and we didn't have to medicate away our minds and bodies.

Eff yes, we're overmedicated! We basically have to be. How else are we supposed to get through all this nonsense, stay sane enough to work, and stay attractive enough that people find us valuable? It's "take this med and get back to work" and "take this drug and stop eating", not "here are affordable groceries and time to prepare healthy foods, go to the gym, and get adequate rest" or "just use your paid sick leave until you're doing better. Feel free to alter your schedule as needed to accommodate childcare, etc."

We don't get to live free lives. We get drugs, and not even free drugs; we have to be lucky enough to pay for the "good insurance" and concierge practice just to be seen and prescribed them!

It's gross, but that's what it is, and PP's comment illustrates it clearly.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2025 21:38     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Yes, a pill-poppin society for decades. When you go to a new doctor and the nurse asks, what pills do you take? If you answer ‘none’, she will fall of her chair. It’s so rare.




You wish. It would be much more exciting to be so right, wouldn't it? Sorry.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2025 20:51     Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, a pill-poppin society for decades. When you go to a new doctor and the nurse asks, what pills do you take? If you answer ‘none’, she will fall of her chair. It’s so rare.


So what do you all take on this thread?


I'm 50 and I don't take anything. Not even vitamins. I follow my doctor's advice but I don't have anything prescribed.


50 is really young. You shouldn’t be taking anything at that age.



Agreed. But a lot of people you than me are on statins and BP medication.