There is no way American universities could survive without mainland Chinese students. They are responsible for the success of US innovation and research.

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Anonymous wrote:International students do not pay full price on average.

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$26,800 is the average aid for international students at U.S. colleges

Analysis of 2022-2023 higher education data discloses U.S. colleges awarded international students $26,800 in financial aid on average last year.

However, packages tripled to nearly $77,000 among the most internationally-friendly schools.

https://www.skillademia.com/statistics/scholarship-statistics/

Does this include graduate students? Most PhD students at research institutions are fully funded, so that would throw the number off.

Fully funded by taxpayers. Enough already.

19:12 again. 711 international undergraduates receive aid from Harvard. Out of 7,110 undergrads. 10% of international undergrads at Harvard receive aid with the average aid being $75,000. So 10% of ALL Harvard undergrads are internationals receiving an average of an 80% discount. Learn to read and find sources guys.

Some of you are complete idiots and don’t understand words or purposefully ignore information when it’s presented to you. That $26,000 is the average for internationals RECEIVING aid. NOT ALL INTERNATIONALS. Carnegie Mellon is an institution that gives ZERO aid to any international student. H6 on the Common Data Set for every school is right there for you all to see.

TACO. Not to worry.

I was a TA in grad school at NYU. I taught freshman comp for my tuition plus a small stipend. No undergraduates were allowed to teach undergrad classes. At my kid’s SLAC they have “TAs,” but they are more like resources other students can use if they need help. I’d be pretty pissed off if I found out that undergrads were teaching other undergrads.

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Anonymous wrote:International students do not pay full price on average.

See below

$26,800 is the average aid for international students at U.S. colleges

Analysis of 2022-2023 higher education data discloses U.S. colleges awarded international students $26,800 in financial aid on average last year.

However, packages tripled to nearly $77,000 among the most internationally-friendly schools.

https://www.skillademia.com/statistics/scholarship-statistics/

Does this include graduate students? Most PhD students at research institutions are fully funded, so that would throw the number off.

Fully funded by???

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Anonymous wrote:With the huge cuts in research funding, many grad students who were being paid from grants will be available to TA. There may also be post docs willing to TA for funding, if their grants were cut.

It probably won't be that hard to fill gaps in missing international students this fall for TA spots.
School budgets will be hit and research will slow down, but I don't think it will stop US undergrads from being taught.

Except the TA funding gets cut when the grants and budget get cut. Without research, the grad students can’t continue their line of study.

TA funding comes from undergrad tuition, not grants. Labs still need to buy supplies for grad students to work, but those expenses are easier for a university to cover than stipends. Many schools have found money for supplies already. They aren't buying big, expensive new equipment purchases right now, but can probably float research supplies for a while.

TA funding does not come from tuition. Tuition is one revenue source which is distributed down to departments. Departments that carry their weight on research grants carry more grad students who then carry more TA roles.

TAs are not RAs.

Anonymous wrote:International students do not pay full price on average.

See below

$26,800 is the average aid for international students at U.S. colleges

Analysis of 2022-2023 higher education data discloses U.S. colleges awarded international students $26,800 in financial aid on average last year.

However, packages tripled to nearly $77,000 among the most internationally-friendly schools.

https://www.skillademia.com/statistics/scholarship-statistics/

Does this include graduate students? Most PhD students at research institutions are fully funded, so that would throw the number off.

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Anonymous wrote:We have not benefited from funding foreign kids at all.

You’re not funding them.

Then Harvard can stop taking our taxpayer dollars.

Anonymous wrote:We have not benefited from funding foreign kids at all.

You’re not funding them.

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Anonymous wrote:What portion of TAs are grad students who are newly enrolled at the university?

I would imagine 100%? Aren't all TAs grad students at the same school?

No, the question is how many TAs are typically fresh-off-the-plane from another country, such that this fall's TAs are currently located in their home country awaiting a visa, and accordingly, possibly impacted by the pause on the scheduling of new appointments for student visas.

Or Chinese students and any other group Steven Miller decides to push around by revoking their existing Visas. Incoming new international students with other options are likely to just bail. Universities will not know this until the next deadline for housing deposits or registration. Students don’t call the university if they decide not to go, they just stop responding. This pushes out any knowledge of how much damage was done. Existing international students are likely to stick it out until they are revoked or denied entry. Some at the undergraduate level or early grad level may start on working on transferring to Canada, EU, Australia etc for the next cycle.

How are Chinese spies at our colleges a good thing?

Anyone?

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Anonymous wrote:Only spies are allowed out of China. Ask me how I know.

OK, how do you know? Please be specific.

Anyone who has suffered at the hands of a Communist regime doesn’t need to ask. Are you Communist?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only spies are allowed out of China. Ask me how I know.

OK, how do you know? Please be specific.

Anonymous wrote:Hardest hit schools will be large public flagships were TAs carrry the weight.

Safest most insulated - SLACs.

But if the research grants are cut, then those grad researchers can get paid to teach as long as they are still enrolled.

Schools are already allowing smart upperclassmen to be TA type people as well. That's kind of an infinite supply at really good large public schools. Right now they don't try very hard to recruit them.

Professors can teach more hours a week in an emergency. Can't realistically grade hundreds more items but can teach a few more hours.

At my top MBA program, I was horrified to find out that the Corporate Strategy profs paid second year MBAs a fast-food level wage to grade first-year MBAs' midterms and finals. But surely there's a lesson there for more conscientious departments facing staffing shortages.

Big means depth of resources and lots of people whose jobs can be altered.

I'm also interested to see if the allegedly job-stealing AI can be repurposed to do more sophisticated grading.