Anonymous
05/28/2025 15:22
Subject: Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Anonymous wrote:How many international students start college each year? About 250,000? Say, 1/5 of those don’t get visas in time (too many?) would that mean a cut of about $3.5 billion from the US economy (assuming tuition plus living costs are about $70k per year). Obviously the likes of Harvard would have no trouble finding substitutes. Who would this cut hit?
Small rural colleges. Not T100s.
Anonymous
05/28/2025 15:21
Subject: Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing any panicked chatter on parent group yet.
Why would US parents be panicked?
Because universities can't afford to operate without international student full-pay tuition. So either their kids' tuition is going up (expect big increases next year) or what their kid is getting is going down.
They’ll admit full pay domestic US citizens from the WL to replace international full pay.
I personally know 10 full pay kids on Harvards WL. I’m sure between all of us we know 200+.
This isn’t hard. It’s a choice.
This. I have a 4.0UW 1550+ DC and am ready to go with the $95K check.
I personally know at least a half dozen more who would have that contract signed tomorrow and check deposited.
It's not like there is a dearth of US kids with top grades, scores and money.
NP. Same situation, on waitlists at some T10, T20, T30s. There is no lack of full pay, high stats applicants on these waitlists. It's frustrating.
Anonymous
05/28/2025 15:18
Subject: Re:Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Anonymous wrote:Ugh this sucks- i want my kid to attend one of the American schools in the ME and it looks like chances of getting in will get slimmer- already a single digit admit rate. But we are American citizens living abroad- maybe it’ll help her get merit aid in the states since we are an expat family?? Sigh, we really need to find an alternate citizenship- my parents should’ve stayed in the UK instead of moving to the US, what with the tax penalty for expats and the ginormous tax rate that gets us nothing, expensive healthcare, retirement and college, its very costly and i dont have any confidence that the state department will actually be of any use to US citizens of color who get into trouble abroad. A robust state department was a real plus back when but now that’s gone as well. It’s infuriating how expensive American taxes are compared to how the government provides no benefits compared to the rest of the developed world. (my family immigrated from our home country b.c my father would’ve been killed for his religion and many Asian/ African origin American citizens are in a similar situation)
Even if you had British citizenship, you would still be paying international tuition rates. But maybe an easier admit since British universities need international fees.
Anonymous
05/28/2025 15:15
Subject: Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
How many international students start college each year? About 250,000? Say, 1/5 of those don’t get visas in time (too many?) would that mean a cut of about $3.5 billion from the US economy (assuming tuition plus living costs are about $70k per year). Obviously the likes of Harvard would have no trouble finding substitutes. Who would this cut hit?
Anonymous
05/28/2025 15:03
Subject: Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing any panicked chatter on parent group yet.
Why would US parents be panicked?
Because universities can't afford to operate without international student full-pay tuition. So either their kids' tuition is going up (expect big increases next year) or what their kid is getting is going down.
They’ll admit full pay domestic US citizens from the WL to replace international full pay.
I personally know 10 full pay kids on Harvards WL. I’m sure between all of us we know 200+.
This isn’t hard. It’s a choice.
This. I have a 4.0UW 1550+ DC and am ready to go with the $95K check.
I personally know at least a half dozen more who would have that contract signed tomorrow and check deposited.
It's not like there is a dearth of US kids with top grades, scores and money.
Anonymous
05/28/2025 15:00
Subject: Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing any panicked chatter on parent group yet.
Why would US parents be panicked?
Because universities can't afford to operate without international student full-pay tuition. So either their kids' tuition is going up (expect big increases next year) or what their kid is getting is going down.
They’ll admit full pay domestic US citizens from the WL to replace international full pay.
I personally know 10 full pay kids on Harvards WL. I’m sure between all of us we know 200+.
This isn’t hard. It’s a choice.
Anonymous
05/28/2025 14:40
Subject: Re:Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Ugh this sucks- i want my kid to attend one of the American schools in the ME and it looks like chances of getting in will get slimmer- already a single digit admit rate. But we are American citizens living abroad- maybe it’ll help her get merit aid in the states since we are an expat family?? Sigh, we really need to find an alternate citizenship- my parents should’ve stayed in the UK instead of moving to the US, what with the tax penalty for expats and the ginormous tax rate that gets us nothing, expensive healthcare, retirement and college, its very costly and i dont have any confidence that the state department will actually be of any use to US citizens of color who get into trouble abroad. A robust state department was a real plus back when but now that’s gone as well. It’s infuriating how expensive American taxes are compared to how the government provides no benefits compared to the rest of the developed world. (my family immigrated from our home country b.c my father would’ve been killed for his religion and many Asian/ African origin American citizens are in a similar situation)
Anonymous
05/28/2025 14:39
Subject: Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing any panicked chatter on parent group yet.
Why would US parents be panicked?
Because universities can't afford to operate without international student full-pay tuition. So either their kids' tuition is going up (expect big increases next year) or what their kid is getting is going down.
Anonymous
05/28/2025 14:27
Subject: Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
They will reach into the bottomless bucket of well-connected, well-heeled Democrats whose lazy Trump-hating kids didn’t get in on previous rounds. They will withdraw their commitments to Tufts & GWU & Hamilton & NYU, & be shrill, protesting, Jew-hating Ivy Leaguers by August.
Anonymous
05/28/2025 13:43
Subject: Re:Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of this will happen.
Trump will be blocked.
This
Anonymous
05/28/2025 13:19
Subject: Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since Yale (and Dartmouth, and others) have officially "closed" their WL, what happens if the international (full pay, presumably) students they'd admitted can't get their visas processed due to the new (as of today) EO?
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/27/trump-team-orders-stop-to-new-student-visa-interviews-as-it-weighs-expanding-social-media-vetting-00370501
Will these ivies be forced to reopen their WLs? Its almost June...
There is no issue with the visas for this year. Harvard got a TRO as will everyone. For the next year there could be an issue.
As a full pay family of a current high school junior, this is music to my ears.
Except Harvard will take a lot of Questbridge students next year.
Not interested in Harvard lol.
Anonymous
05/28/2025 13:18
Subject: Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since Yale (and Dartmouth, and others) have officially "closed" their WL, what happens if the international (full pay, presumably) students they'd admitted can't get their visas processed due to the new (as of today) EO?
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/27/trump-team-orders-stop-to-new-student-visa-interviews-as-it-weighs-expanding-social-media-vetting-00370501
Will these ivies be forced to reopen their WLs? Its almost June...
There is no issue with the visas for this year. Harvard got a TRO as will everyone. For the next year there could be an issue.
As a full pay family of a current high school junior, this is music to my ears.
Except Harvard will take a lot of Questbridge students next year.
Anonymous
05/28/2025 13:16
Subject: Ivy WL and International Student Disruption
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since Yale (and Dartmouth, and others) have officially "closed" their WL, what happens if the international (full pay, presumably) students they'd admitted can't get their visas processed due to the new (as of today) EO?
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/27/trump-team-orders-stop-to-new-student-visa-interviews-as-it-weighs-expanding-social-media-vetting-00370501
Will these ivies be forced to reopen their WLs? Its almost June...
There is no issue with the visas for this year. Harvard got a TRO as will everyone. For the next year there could be an issue.
As a full pay family of a current high school junior, this is music to my ears.