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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

My dd goes to a girls private school w tons of Dem voting families and nearly every girl is ecstatic at the thought of spots opening up at top colleges bc intl kids either can’t or won’t attend. They are HS juniors.

They don't realize that the next step will be to say that H has too many women students and so on. Why should it stop with just the international students?

Anonymous wrote:If this helps: in the NYT times today, list of % of students that are international at US universities. You can look at undergrad and grad student % separately. Harvard is not in the top 25 for either undergrad or grad. As I suspected, the schools with the most international students at a grad level are mid-tier STEM-focused schools, many in or near urban areas. They need the international students because there simply aren’t enough US citizens applying to these programs. That grad school tuition helps subsidize the US student tuition (especially for undergrads).

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/23/upshot/harvard-trump-international-students.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

(Sorry if link is blocked, I have a subscription. But the #1 university for undergrad is Illinois Tech, with about 50% international. Number 1 for grad is Stevens, at 88(!)%.

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Anonymous wrote:International students shouldn't make up more than 10% of the student body. Otherwise, the schools should lose their tax exempt status. There are plenty of full-pay, qualified, American students who can fill the spots.

Agree. That’s a sound normal number.

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

My dd goes to a girls private school w tons of Dem voting families and nearly every girl is ecstatic at the thought of spots opening up at top colleges bc intl kids either can’t or won’t attend. They are HS juniors.

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

My dd goes to a girls private school w tons of Dem voting families and nearly every girl is ecstatic at the thought of spots opening up at top colleges bc intl kids either can’t or won’t attend. They are HS juniors.

They don't realize that the next step will be to say that H has too many women students and so on. Why should it stop with just the international students?

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

My dd goes to a girls private school w tons of Dem voting families and nearly every girl is ecstatic at the thought of spots opening up at top colleges bc intl kids either can’t or won’t attend. They are HS juniors.

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Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

Impossible because they won't be at one of the very top colleges in the world.

LOL. The WSJ opinion board disagrees with you. It says it’s a message that America no longer cares about top talent. It also said most of our AI programs are filled with international students who stay and create companies here.

You don’t think China will dangle $1M to the top scientists and researchers at Harvard and elsewhere? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

What makes a top intl college? Surely not one who arrests students, dismantles federal agencies aiding academic research, censorship, and on..

Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

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Anonymous wrote:If you think at the end of the day Harvard will lose 25% of its students, you are not paying attention to how Trump operates.

He wants to destroy Harvard. As soon as Americans let him do so, he will start his program to destroy every other university. He will then open universities for profit that he controls.

Stay silent at your own peril.

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Anonymous wrote:International students shouldn't make up more than 10% of the student body. Otherwise, the schools should lose their tax exempt status. There are plenty of full-pay, qualified, American students who can fill the spots.

Agree. That’s a sound normal number.

Anonymous wrote:International students shouldn't make up more than 10% of the student body. Otherwise, the schools should lose their tax exempt status. There are plenty of full-pay, qualified, American students who can fill the spots.

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

My dd goes to a girls private school w tons of Dem voting families and nearly every girl is ecstatic at the thought of spots opening up at top colleges bc intl kids either can’t or won’t attend. They are HS juniors.

Why. Why do they want to go to Harvard of all places? This is a place that strongly values international students, scientific research, science and many other things that Trump is against. What are they going to do at Harvard and why?

They weren’t talking abt Harvard specifically. There are intl kids at all top schools. They generally take up 8-10% of spots.