Anonymous
05/27/2025 20:34
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Simone didn't push Ethan, it's his complete inability to take responsibility for his own misfortune that led him to make the accusation.
The first thee episodes were basically one big red herring about Kiki leading a cult. The show got better when they left that drop.
The first thee episodes were basically one big red herring about Kiki leading a cult. The show got better when they left that drop.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 20:14
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:Meant to add other interesting things:
When Kiki wants to see Barnaby’s progress and goes to her raptor expert, the flight path is a total mess. It’s an obvious tip that her bird is not ready to fly away. Really well done and touching and sad.
Kiki asks Devon if she’s a mermaid.
I also think it’s possible that Simone did push Ethan. She was rightfully infuriated that he went and grabbed her dad and invaded the history she had not shared with him. I like the ambiguity there. Ethan is a goofball, of that world but not a master of it - both Kells are dismissive of Ethan’s financial acumen to Simone.
I think the way the actors portraying the Kell staff really drove home that for them, Peter is like Peter the great - benevolent, good, etc., etc. Again, the women are the problem, as if the upkeep and acreage and stunning bizarre luxury are all down to whichever wife is there.
Having first wife Jocelyn ‘disfigure herself’ by suffering a bad surgical outcome and necrosis as she tried in vain to fix herself, to stop time, and to keep her flighty, cruel husband — and then having her exile herself to an island, does feel like an anti-fairy tale, or a twist on a myth. Medea doesn’t do what she did - she goes to an island near Washington state. The Gorgon runs away and gets described as a ‘kind woman’ by Jose.
I also like the even playing field that the dad with dementia and Peter had at one point. Them both sitting there and him saying basically we’re both going to end up in the end in the same place, dead and alone. You can’t take it with you.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 20:07
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole time I was watching it I couldn't get over Simone's "uncanny" face. Reminded me about that thread in Teens and Tweens about the orthodontia that make little kids look weird. I saw it!
I've never heard of orthodontia face, but as soon as I saw her, I was like 'oh, I wonder if she's from Australia" because there's a certain look that Aussies have.
Yes! She does not look American at all. It made sense when I saw where she was from.
All I could think was that she looked like Cha-Ka from the Land of the Lost tv show
Anonymous
05/27/2025 19:54
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Meant to add other interesting things:
When Kiki wants to see Barnaby’s progress and goes to her raptor expert, the flight path is a total mess. It’s an obvious tip that her bird is not ready to fly away. Really well done and touching and sad.
Kiki asks Devon if she’s a mermaid.
I also think it’s possible that Simone did push Ethan. She was rightfully infuriated that he went and grabbed her dad and invaded the history she had not shared with him. I like the ambiguity there. Ethan is a goofball, of that world but not a master of it - both Kells are dismissive of Ethan’s financial acumen to Simone.
I think the way the actors portraying the Kell staff really drove home that for them, Peter is like Peter the great - benevolent, good, etc., etc. Again, the women are the problem, as if the upkeep and acreage and stunning bizarre luxury are all down to whichever wife is there.
Having first wife Jocelyn ‘disfigure herself’ by suffering a bad surgical outcome and necrosis as she tried in vain to fix herself, to stop time, and to keep her flighty, cruel husband — and then having her exile herself to an island, does feel like an anti-fairy tale, or a twist on a myth. Medea doesn’t do what she did - she goes to an island near Washington state. The Gorgon runs away and gets described as a ‘kind woman’ by Jose.
When Kiki wants to see Barnaby’s progress and goes to her raptor expert, the flight path is a total mess. It’s an obvious tip that her bird is not ready to fly away. Really well done and touching and sad.
Kiki asks Devon if she’s a mermaid.
I also think it’s possible that Simone did push Ethan. She was rightfully infuriated that he went and grabbed her dad and invaded the history she had not shared with him. I like the ambiguity there. Ethan is a goofball, of that world but not a master of it - both Kells are dismissive of Ethan’s financial acumen to Simone.
I think the way the actors portraying the Kell staff really drove home that for them, Peter is like Peter the great - benevolent, good, etc., etc. Again, the women are the problem, as if the upkeep and acreage and stunning bizarre luxury are all down to whichever wife is there.
Having first wife Jocelyn ‘disfigure herself’ by suffering a bad surgical outcome and necrosis as she tried in vain to fix herself, to stop time, and to keep her flighty, cruel husband — and then having her exile herself to an island, does feel like an anti-fairy tale, or a twist on a myth. Medea doesn’t do what she did - she goes to an island near Washington state. The Gorgon runs away and gets described as a ‘kind woman’ by Jose.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 19:51
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anybody read the book? Are any of these women actual sirens in the book? Like creatures from the deep who sing and enchant people into doing their bidding?
I thought it was an interesting spin on the traditional meaning of sirens. Peter clearly accuse Kiki of wrecking his life by having him be estranged from his kids for over a decade, and he was really lamenting throughout the series that he was never going to get those years back. But she rightly pointed out that he went along with it and didn’t do anything to change it aside from just blame her for years.
I think it’s also pretty clear from the ending that Simone was just another “siren” that was not going to work out for him, in 10 or 15 years from now, he would just blame her for ruining his life somehow. She’s young and he’s old, she’s had a dysfunctional childhood she clearly has not dealt with, high likelihood that she screws up big, probably cheats, all kinds of things are gonna go wrong for them in the coming years. You can pretty much bet on it. But again, he’s likely to ignore the role he has played and continue just to blame the women in his life for things going wrong.
Finally this may be a little controversial, but I found it interesting that Ethan said she pushed him. Could it be true? And could she get fed up with Peter’s old ass in the next decade and get him drunk and push him?
Was rather ominous it ended with her overlooking the cliff and literally the series is called sirens. Just a thought.
Either way I found this show totally absorbing and I loved it.
I think him saying she pushed him was more of men blaming shit on women: he was drunk and sad and wanted to see her as a “monster” bc it’s better than looking inward. As for Peter he’s definitely going to be unhappy bc he will be older no matter what and not be content. She does not need to push him off a cliff, she just needs to play it smarter to keep the wealth. I think the smile at the end proved she had some awareness she had to handle things a certain way.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 19:46
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole time I was watching it I couldn't get over Simone's "uncanny" face. Reminded me about that thread in Teens and Tweens about the orthodontia that make little kids look weird. I saw it!
I've never heard of orthodontia face, but as soon as I saw her, I was like 'oh, I wonder if she's from Australia" because there's a certain look that Aussies have.
Yes! She does not look American at all. It made sense when I saw where she was from.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 19:41
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:I loved it. Gorgeous scenery and home, acting was amazing, plot was interesting: actually no cult at all and the women were sort of like mermaids: men blamed them for their own wrecked lives bc they had been too alluring to resist, when really they only had themselves to blame. I really hated Peter, what a weak guy.
Kiki was right - they all worked for him.
I’m the one who binged it immediately. What a refreshing revelation - the mermaids (Devon, in her scuba gear, swimming to try and rescue Simone) were a sailor’s savior; the siren, a sailor’s doom. All of it is a myth, if not a formalized, recognized iteration of Greek mythology. The tempting women just destroy the men, hey hey. The lobotomized chorus lip-syncing “W.A.P.” and explaining to Devon that their respective men came onto them and saved them from service careers were finessed touches - so out there that it is in its own way a finessed plot point.
Peter could afford with his salt of the earth roots from a thousand years ago be taken as ‘good’ by the staff, just a simple guy with chowdah and quahogs and a simple pour-over coffee, not a thrown-away smoothie or an eyelash window. It’s the wife, and the P.A., who are the monsters! So he’s totally free to say to his just-dumped wife, as if in an aside, hey, maybe I’ll have another baby…sorry you were infertile.
Again, this was WAY better than it had any right to be and for me, it is WAY better than any of Big Little Lies, better than White Lotus excepting parts of season 3 (Fahey was the best part of season 2 by far). I hope Fahey has an amazing career, I love her, and I love Julianne Moore for not freezing her face and taking a ‘fun’ role.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 19:37
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:The whole time I was watching it I couldn't get over Simone's "uncanny" face. Reminded me about that thread in Teens and Tweens about the orthodontia that make little kids look weird. I saw it!
I've never heard of orthodontia face, but as soon as I saw her, I was like 'oh, I wonder if she's from Australia" because there's a certain look that Aussies have.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 18:57
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
A lot was implausible but the thing that really made no sense was that it was this HUGE bombshell, Simone telling Peter about the photo and the fact that Kiki kept it, and it was enough for him to end a marriage mid-gala.
She was so kind to Simone, she gave her good advice about her proposal and gave her an amazing new job that would have allowed really all her dreams to come true.... yes the way she let her go was over the top, but she was right that Simone was now a threat to her marriage.
I was disappointed that there was literally no cult and it was just about rich people melodrama.
She was so kind to Simone, she gave her good advice about her proposal and gave her an amazing new job that would have allowed really all her dreams to come true.... yes the way she let her go was over the top, but she was right that Simone was now a threat to her marriage.
I was disappointed that there was literally no cult and it was just about rich people melodrama.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 18:39
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:Did anybody read the book? Are any of these women actual sirens in the book? Like creatures from the deep who sing and enchant people into doing their bidding?
I thought it was an interesting spin on the traditional meaning of sirens. Peter clearly accuse Kiki of wrecking his life by having him be estranged from his kids for over a decade, and he was really lamenting throughout the series that he was never going to get those years back. But she rightly pointed out that he went along with it and didn’t do anything to change it aside from just blame her for years.
I think it’s also pretty clear from the ending that Simone was just another “siren” that was not going to work out for him, in 10 or 15 years from now, he would just blame her for ruining his life somehow. She’s young and he’s old, she’s had a dysfunctional childhood she clearly has not dealt with, high likelihood that she screws up big, probably cheats, all kinds of things are gonna go wrong for them in the coming years. You can pretty much bet on it. But again, he’s likely to ignore the role he has played and continue just to blame the women in his life for things going wrong.
Finally this may be a little controversial, but I found it interesting that Ethan said she pushed him. Could it be true? And could she get fed up with Peter’s old ass in the next decade and get him drunk and push him?
Was rather ominous it ended with her overlooking the cliff and literally the series is called sirens. Just a thought.
Either way I found this show totally absorbing and I loved it.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 18:03
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:Did anybody read the book? Are any of these women actual sirens in the book? Like creatures from the deep who sing and enchant people into doing their bidding?
Seems like this is just an accusations that the men throw when they want someone to blame for their actions.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 18:02
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thoughts on Devon being so close with their dad after he treated Simone so badly. Not sure if this hit too close to home for me and I don’t have good perspective. I just feel in real life Devon wouldn’t be close to the dad? Or maybe it shows how the abuse made her a victim as well.
I was fine with Devon being close with the dad, but it really bothered me at the end when she tried to pressure Simone to connect with him.
I think older children typically have more of a sense of duty, plus she is so used to caregiving, almost as a distraction to her own needs bc she never found out what those were (hence the need to smoke, drink, have sex when she has any free time…anything but thinking about the meaning of her own life) But yes, of course Simone should not spend one second taking care of her dad and it’s not right to ask her to.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 17:54
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Did anybody read the book? Are any of these women actual sirens in the book? Like creatures from the deep who sing and enchant people into doing their bidding?
Anonymous
05/27/2025 17:50
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed it but I think the costume designer really blew it. Those Lilly Pulitzer dresses were not the aesthetic of the Julianne Moore character at all judging by her own clothes, her personality, and her house. So why did she want her assistant and all her friends to be wearing that look?
Plus, while there's a small subset of summer people on Martha's Vineyard who dress like that, it's not the subculture portrayed in the miniseries at all.
Well, the Lily-wearers are pretty much the help. You aren't going to buy designer clothes for them, but off the rack Lily works fine.
Anonymous
05/27/2025 17:48
Subject: Sirens on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:I wanted to like this but it just seemed weird and I was having a hard time understanding the Greek references. I will watch it again this weekend.
That's because they are hard to understand. The writing was not a 10/10 on this one. The acting was great, the writing was good but not great.