Anonymous
05/24/2025 06:21
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the pool of coaches are coming from the pool of former players, wouldn’t the discrepancy of male-to-female ratio be consistent?
I would think every club has more boys teams than girls teams. There are more pro men’s teams than women’s teams. Meaning, starting from the younger ages all the way to the pros, there are just much more males than females in this sport. Isn’t this the more likely scenario (than men’s network including only men, or hiring preference of men, or players unwilling to play for a female coach, or parents holding female coaches to a different standard, or whatever other conspiracy theories people bring up)?
+1
Clubs actually boast when they hire female coaches. There’s an incentive for it. The only answer for the shortage would be they are not applying for these positions.
Does a good hiring manager sit back and wait to see what resumes roll in, or do they reach out to their networks when they have an opening?
Hmmm, I wonder what best practice would be?
How many youth soccer clubs do you think have a hiring manager?
Hint: The hiring manager is the person in a position of authority doing the hiring.
Coaches are not delivered via fairy godmother.
Hint: if you think that women are discriminated against in youth soccer coach hiring practices, you are an idiot. Women coaches are sought after and given every opportunity.
Since you apparently have some expertise here, how exactly are they sought after? What steps do clubs take to hire, train and retain?
Eager to learn best practices.
Anonymous
05/24/2025 01:47
Subject: Female coaches
Yes there is a lack of female coaches but it’s not because clubs don’t want them. The truth is there just isn’t many female coaches that want to coach.
If you noticed most men that coach it’s because they can’t do anything else. They don’t have a degree, come from another country and all they know is soccer, don’t have to take time away from pregnancy, raising kids n try to balance at home stuff if they have a family, some are single or divorced dads. Most women coaches have degrees and find good careers and feel the pressure of having a family. The youth game don’t pay well and it’s a grind and it takes you away from your family. High level teams travel out of state weekends at a time. Local teams still take up hours during the week and weekend.
The coaching world at any level is a grind that don’t pay well. Clubs want female coaches but the reality is not too many women want to coach.
If you noticed most men that coach it’s because they can’t do anything else. They don’t have a degree, come from another country and all they know is soccer, don’t have to take time away from pregnancy, raising kids n try to balance at home stuff if they have a family, some are single or divorced dads. Most women coaches have degrees and find good careers and feel the pressure of having a family. The youth game don’t pay well and it’s a grind and it takes you away from your family. High level teams travel out of state weekends at a time. Local teams still take up hours during the week and weekend.
The coaching world at any level is a grind that don’t pay well. Clubs want female coaches but the reality is not too many women want to coach.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 23:26
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the pool of coaches are coming from the pool of former players, wouldn’t the discrepancy of male-to-female ratio be consistent?
I would think every club has more boys teams than girls teams. There are more pro men’s teams than women’s teams. Meaning, starting from the younger ages all the way to the pros, there are just much more males than females in this sport. Isn’t this the more likely scenario (than men’s network including only men, or hiring preference of men, or players unwilling to play for a female coach, or parents holding female coaches to a different standard, or whatever other conspiracy theories people bring up)?
+1
Clubs actually boast when they hire female coaches. There’s an incentive for it. The only answer for the shortage would be they are not applying for these positions.
Does a good hiring manager sit back and wait to see what resumes roll in, or do they reach out to their networks when they have an opening?
Hmmm, I wonder what best practice would be?
How many youth soccer clubs do you think have a hiring manager?
Hint: The hiring manager is the person in a position of authority doing the hiring.
Coaches are not delivered via fairy godmother.
Hint: if you think that women are discriminated against in youth soccer coach hiring practices, you are an idiot. Women coaches are sought after and given every opportunity.
#truth
Anonymous
05/23/2025 22:57
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the pool of coaches are coming from the pool of former players, wouldn’t the discrepancy of male-to-female ratio be consistent?
I would think every club has more boys teams than girls teams. There are more pro men’s teams than women’s teams. Meaning, starting from the younger ages all the way to the pros, there are just much more males than females in this sport. Isn’t this the more likely scenario (than men’s network including only men, or hiring preference of men, or players unwilling to play for a female coach, or parents holding female coaches to a different standard, or whatever other conspiracy theories people bring up)?
+1
Clubs actually boast when they hire female coaches. There’s an incentive for it. The only answer for the shortage would be they are not applying for these positions.
Does a good hiring manager sit back and wait to see what resumes roll in, or do they reach out to their networks when they have an opening?
Hmmm, I wonder what best practice would be?
How many youth soccer clubs do you think have a hiring manager?
Hint: The hiring manager is the person in a position of authority doing the hiring.
Coaches are not delivered via fairy godmother.
Hint: if you think that women are discriminated against in youth soccer coach hiring practices, you are an idiot. Women coaches are sought after and given every opportunity.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 22:13
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.
Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?
As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.
I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.
Important part here is “As far as I can see”. Just because you don’t see things happening or it’s not your experience doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. You are obviously a man and not part of a marginalized group. There are many people who are pushed toward or discouraged from doing all sorts of things by society.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:26
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the pool of coaches are coming from the pool of former players, wouldn’t the discrepancy of male-to-female ratio be consistent?
I would think every club has more boys teams than girls teams. There are more pro men’s teams than women’s teams. Meaning, starting from the younger ages all the way to the pros, there are just much more males than females in this sport. Isn’t this the more likely scenario (than men’s network including only men, or hiring preference of men, or players unwilling to play for a female coach, or parents holding female coaches to a different standard, or whatever other conspiracy theories people bring up)?
+1
Clubs actually boast when they hire female coaches. There’s an incentive for it. The only answer for the shortage would be they are not applying for these positions.
Does a good hiring manager sit back and wait to see what resumes roll in, or do they reach out to their networks when they have an opening?
Hmmm, I wonder what best practice would be?
How many youth soccer clubs do you think have a hiring manager?
Hint: The hiring manager is the person in a position of authority doing the hiring.
Coaches are not delivered via fairy godmother.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:09
Subject: Female coaches
How much does a coach make on average per team per year? I'm going to assume it's not nearly enough for the number of hours required. It's not worth it for most women, and also probably why there are so many complaints about coaches, it's not easy, your almost always going to have at least one probably more people angry with your decisions.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:46
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.
Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?
As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.
I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:08
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Maybe they don't apply because clubs "boast" about it and they then think they were just token hires.
So a club who boasts hiring of female coaches and celebrate them is to consider them “token hires”. And someone else says they are not applying because they don’t feel welcomed.
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 19:51
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:It’s still a man’s world. It sucks.
When my kids started playing at 4 years of age we had a female coach and so many of the parents complained about her. She was as good as the guy who replaced her. I live in Ashburn and the kids soccer had nothing but awful parent coaches but people hated on the woman. It's horrible.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 19:49
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the pool of coaches are coming from the pool of former players, wouldn’t the discrepancy of male-to-female ratio be consistent?
I would think every club has more boys teams than girls teams. There are more pro men’s teams than women’s teams. Meaning, starting from the younger ages all the way to the pros, there are just much more males than females in this sport. Isn’t this the more likely scenario (than men’s network including only men, or hiring preference of men, or players unwilling to play for a female coach, or parents holding female coaches to a different standard, or whatever other conspiracy theories people bring up)?
+1
Clubs actually boast when they hire female coaches. There’s an incentive for it. The only answer for the shortage would be they are not applying for these positions.
Does a good hiring manager sit back and wait to see what resumes roll in, or do they reach out to their networks when they have an opening?
Hmmm, I wonder what best practice would be?
How many youth soccer clubs do you think have a hiring manager?
Anonymous
05/23/2025 18:44
Subject: Re:Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Aren't coaches generally parents? Parents of kids that have aged out or currently playing? Guess what women in those groups, with kids that age are saddled with? All THEIR kids. No one's looking to spend their free time with more of them.
I saw a Mom post this week a request to let her know if her husband is recruited for PTA duties - because when Pops gets a gig, it impacts the whole house. I have done PTA for 6 years, no one asked if it would impact my spouse.
No, most coaches (hopefully close to 0) are not parents for club teams. Rec sure, but I don't think that's where the problem the OP is pointing out.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 18:41
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the pool of coaches are coming from the pool of former players, wouldn’t the discrepancy of male-to-female ratio be consistent?
I would think every club has more boys teams than girls teams. There are more pro men’s teams than women’s teams. Meaning, starting from the younger ages all the way to the pros, there are just much more males than females in this sport. Isn’t this the more likely scenario (than men’s network including only men, or hiring preference of men, or players unwilling to play for a female coach, or parents holding female coaches to a different standard, or whatever other conspiracy theories people bring up)?
+1
Clubs actually boast when they hire female coaches. There’s an incentive for it. The only answer for the shortage would be they are not applying for these positions.
Does a good hiring manager sit back and wait to see what resumes roll in, or do they reach out to their networks when they have an opening?
Hmmm, I wonder what best practice would be?
Anonymous
05/23/2025 18:13
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe they don't apply because clubs "boast" about it and they then think they were just token hires.
Or maybe they know they are qualified but some parents and other coaches will think they were just token hires and they don’t want to deal with the unrealistic expectations and always having to prove themselves when the men coaches can be terrible and not receive the same scrutiny.
You must be new here. Every coach receives all the scrutiny. There is so much trash talk about all the coaches - go check the Valor thread if you want proof.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 18:06
Subject: Female coaches
Anonymous wrote:Maybe they don't apply because clubs "boast" about it and they then think they were just token hires.
Or maybe they know they are qualified but some parents and other coaches will think they were just token hires and they don’t want to deal with the unrealistic expectations and always having to prove themselves when the men coaches can be terrible and not receive the same scrutiny.