Anonymous
05/23/2025 09:02
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m sorry people can’t stay on task.
I posted about Fiske earlier; just wanted to follow up with a bit more data.
I don’t have great tools to sort based on cost; you’ll need to check NPCs for that. But here’s a more complete list of Fiske’s five-star (for academics) schools between 2,000 and 10,000 students (my personal definition of mid-size is 4,000-9,000), but I figure this gives you some more options):
Barnard College
Brown University
Carleton College
Columbia University
Dartmouth College
Duke University
Harvard University
Johns Hopkins University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Northwestern University
Princeton University
Rice University
Stanford University
University of Chicago
University of Pennsylvania
Wellesley College
Wesleyan University
William & Mary
Williams College
Yale University
If you get a copy of Fiske you can also expand down to the 4.5 star tier (still extremely strong academically; there’s nothing infallible about Fiske’s cutoffs, either) and pick up about a dozen more midsize schools, including WashU and St. Andrews.
As you look at costs and admit rates, you’ll likely see that William & Mary is the most accessible school on that list. It’s a shame there aren’t more like it.
This list is worthless. Someone just put it together based on perceived prestige. There no magic to the academics at these schools.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 09:01
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Vermont!
Anonymous
05/23/2025 09:00
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
My son loves Elon and has gotten a great education there. Others will bash it. Whatever. He’s happy and his future is bright.
As for public schools like W&M - there are none. You have to go a bit larger - 16-20k students. Then you get Pitt, Miami Ohio, U. Vermont. Maybe others.
As for public schools like W&M - there are none. You have to go a bit larger - 16-20k students. Then you get Pitt, Miami Ohio, U. Vermont. Maybe others.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 08:54
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
OP, I’m sorry people can’t stay on task.
I posted about Fiske earlier; just wanted to follow up with a bit more data.
I don’t have great tools to sort based on cost; you’ll need to check NPCs for that. But here’s a more complete list of Fiske’s five-star (for academics) schools between 2,000 and 10,000 students (my personal definition of mid-size is 4,000-9,000), but I figure this gives you some more options):
Barnard College
Brown University
Carleton College
Columbia University
Dartmouth College
Duke University
Harvard University
Johns Hopkins University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Northwestern University
Princeton University
Rice University
Stanford University
University of Chicago
University of Pennsylvania
Wellesley College
Wesleyan University
William & Mary
Williams College
Yale University
If you get a copy of Fiske you can also expand down to the 4.5 star tier (still extremely strong academically; there’s nothing infallible about Fiske’s cutoffs, either) and pick up about a dozen more midsize schools, including WashU and St. Andrews.
As you look at costs and admit rates, you’ll likely see that William & Mary is the most accessible school on that list. It’s a shame there aren’t more like it.
I posted about Fiske earlier; just wanted to follow up with a bit more data.
I don’t have great tools to sort based on cost; you’ll need to check NPCs for that. But here’s a more complete list of Fiske’s five-star (for academics) schools between 2,000 and 10,000 students (my personal definition of mid-size is 4,000-9,000), but I figure this gives you some more options):
Barnard College
Brown University
Carleton College
Columbia University
Dartmouth College
Duke University
Harvard University
Johns Hopkins University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Northwestern University
Princeton University
Rice University
Stanford University
University of Chicago
University of Pennsylvania
Wellesley College
Wesleyan University
William & Mary
Williams College
Yale University
If you get a copy of Fiske you can also expand down to the 4.5 star tier (still extremely strong academically; there’s nothing infallible about Fiske’s cutoffs, either) and pick up about a dozen more midsize schools, including WashU and St. Andrews.
As you look at costs and admit rates, you’ll likely see that William & Mary is the most accessible school on that list. It’s a shame there aren’t more like it.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 08:26
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I’m not interested in a pissing match about VA schools or rankings. DD wants a mid-sized school similar in academic quality, vibe, and cost to W&M.
Elon, seriously.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 08:10
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
OP here. I’m not interested in a pissing match about VA schools or rankings. DD wants a mid-sized school similar in academic quality, vibe, and cost to W&M.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 08:05
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High Point fits the bill
Oh Dear Lord, no! Anyone considering W&M should not be looking at HPU.
Why not? Since WM fell in USNWR it’s hard to assess new peers. Maybe Elon.
W&M is an established national university with a reputable academic record. HPU is a questionable regional university focused on “life skills,” and currently under an accreditation warning.
VT is ranked better now in case you weren’t aware. Maybe JMU is WM’s peer in-state.
Rankings don’t make schools peers. JMU is nothing like W&M. Plus neither VT nor JMU is mid-sized (3,000-15,000) so irrelevant to this discussion.
Then why say things like T20? Rankings are a way to group schools. Sorry that WM is no longer a T2 public in VA per UNSWR. With that being said, WM and JMU are probably the most popular VA schools not in VA T2.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 07:48
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High Point fits the bill
Oh Dear Lord, no! Anyone considering W&M should not be looking at HPU.
Why not? Since WM fell in USNWR it’s hard to assess new peers. Maybe Elon.
W&M is an established national university with a reputable academic record. HPU is a questionable regional university focused on “life skills,” and currently under an accreditation warning.
VT is ranked better now in case you weren’t aware. Maybe JMU is WM’s peer in-state.
VT is a good school but isn’t what OP is looking for. You can stand down.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 07:45
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High Point fits the bill
Oh Dear Lord, no! Anyone considering W&M should not be looking at HPU.
Why not? Since WM fell in USNWR it’s hard to assess new peers. Maybe Elon.
W&M is an established national university with a reputable academic record. HPU is a questionable regional university focused on “life skills,” and currently under an accreditation warning.
VT is ranked better now in case you weren’t aware. Maybe JMU is WM’s peer in-state.
Rankings don’t make schools peers. JMU is nothing like W&M. Plus neither VT nor JMU is mid-sized (3,000-15,000) so irrelevant to this discussion.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 07:33
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High Point fits the bill
Oh Dear Lord, no! Anyone considering W&M should not be looking at HPU.
Why not? Since WM fell in USNWR it’s hard to assess new peers. Maybe Elon.
W&M is an established national university with a reputable academic record. HPU is a questionable regional university focused on “life skills,” and currently under an accreditation warning.
VT is ranked better now in case you weren’t aware. Maybe JMU is WM’s peer in-state.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 06:17
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some interesting data points here.
https://www.wm.edu/about/administration/bov/_documents/meetings/2019_2020/2019-11-provost-report-peers.pdf
OMG. They are actually going with the “public ivy” shtick? I cringed when I saw that. How embarrassing.
“Public Ivy” as a term is 40 years old. Not a new thing.
+1 Why wouldn’t W&M use marketing language in its marketing materials?
Anonymous
05/23/2025 02:21
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some interesting data points here.
https://www.wm.edu/about/administration/bov/_documents/meetings/2019_2020/2019-11-provost-report-peers.pdf
OMG. They are actually going with the “public ivy” shtick? I cringed when I saw that. How embarrassing.
“Public Ivy” as a term is 40 years old. Not a new thing.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 01:40
Subject: Re:Mid-Sized Public Universities
UCSC and USSB are smaller than the other UCs.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 01:11
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Some interesting data points here.
https://www.wm.edu/about/administration/bov/_documents/meetings/2019_2020/2019-11-provost-report-peers.pdf
OMG. They are actually going with the “public ivy” shtick? I cringed when I saw that. How embarrassing.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 00:20
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
My kid received merit at Lehigh, Case, Fordham. But we are in state for W&M.