Anonymous
Post 05/24/2025 17:51     Subject: Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:Given today’s political climate, I think it’s hilarious that we are even having this discussion. We are lucky our democracy stays intact. Read.the.room. We are so far from reparations.


Calling reparations “hilarious” just shows what your personal prefrences are, that's all, just like any name-calling session. Now, if you honestly just don’t care about reparations and/or or think African Americans should just “get over” slavery, that’s your right, but your personal boredom on the matter doesn’t the U.S. can not plan to do what is right, whether you care our not. "Democracy", as you are so so concerned about, stays healthy when we dig into unfinished business, not when we act like it’s too messy. Think about it, the Civil Rights movement happened in the 60s, a rough time for our country, we can do big things in the current rough time for our country.
Anonymous
Post 05/24/2025 17:25     Subject: Re:Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Please, will the people in favor of the reparations study explain what they expect from one?

What can you learn from the money wasted on a study?
Anonymous
Post 05/24/2025 16:24     Subject: Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Given today’s political climate, I think it’s hilarious that we are even having this discussion. We are lucky our democracy stays intact. Read.the.room. We are so far from reparations.
Anonymous
Post 05/24/2025 14:22     Subject: Re:Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Slavery was an unquestionable evil. Unfortunately, far too much time and life events have transpired to ever be able to serve justice to either those victims who deserved restitution or to the perpetrators who weren’t held accountable for their crimes. Between waves of immigration bringing multitudes into our country generations after slavery was a memory, intermarriage blurring the distinction between races, and the loss of memory over time as to what roles our ancestors who were here may have had at the time, there is no way to untangle the messiness of life and accurately portion debt or recompense owed.

At this time, reparations can only serve to create resentment to fuel racism further. Let’s help people, regardless of race, based on need. There are lots of ways that individuals, by accident of birth rather than any actions of their own, have been disadvantaged. No one gets to choose their families.

Meanwhile, this seems a particularly absurd and hypocritical time to be talking about reparations. Our government, representing us, is currently “deporting” immigrants without any semblance of due process, let alone a trial and conviction, to a lifetime sentence in foreign prisons known for their brutality. The fact that the harsh conditions and brutality are taking place outside our borders does not absolve us of responsibility. OUR NATION IS CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING. INSTEAD OF ARGUING ABOUT THE REPARATIONS WE OWE EACH OTHER BASED ON DEBTS FROM/TO OUR ANCESTORS, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HALTING THE CURRENT INJUSTICE AND THE REPARATIONS WE MAY ALL EVENTUALLY OWE TO THOSE WE CURRENTLY ALLOW TO BE WRONGED.

I think the greatest debt owed to the past is to not repeat the evil that once took place, but to act responsibly in the present and to teach future generations by both word and example, so that it can never be allowed to recur.


Look, you might have just arrived in the United States and feel slavery has nothing to do with you, but ignoring it does not make it disappear. The story of Black America, a history that includes centuries of forced labor, the fight for freedom, and constant resilience, is baked into our laws, culture, and national wealth. It shaped the country long before recent waves of immigration and still shapes it today. You do not get to set the meter on what matters in U.S. history. The impact of the Black experience is a fact, not an opinion, and you cannot understand America without it.


Aren't Native Americans in line first?


The government broke treaties with Native Americans and ran an economy on stolen African American labor at the same time, so it can face both truths at once. Justice is not a take a number line and it is definitely not set by whoever happens to shout loudest right now. That includes any one poster here or newer immigrant communities (who may be one and the same), even if their numbers and political clout are growing.

Anonymous
Post 05/24/2025 09:09     Subject: Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:He’s definitely trying to appeal to the conservative side in preparation for his future presidential campaign


ICYMI: he’s trying to appeal to all reasonable people—not just conservatives.

I’m a bleeding heart liberal who fully supports his response to this legislation. Did you read his reasoning? He points to past related commissions, reports, plans, etc. and says the time is to focus on taking action—not more discussion, planning, etc. He’s right!

He also points to the fact that Maryland has its first black governor and senator, etc. Again, he’s right! Progress has been made. Real progress.

I’ve been impressed with how he’s handling the talking points for such things that are now big minefields in 2025. He did a great job on Fox navigating questions on immigration following the murder of the Maryland woman. He focused on being against murder of anyone by anyone and the need to have effective responses to crime, immigration, etc. He was reasonable, saying everything any reasonable person wants to hear.

I hope he can get Maryland’s finances back on track so he’s well positioned for a run at the WH. Although after hearing Rahm might go for it, I’m
thinking Wes could be a terrific VP before a run for the top spot.
Anonymous
Post 05/24/2025 07:07     Subject: Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He’s definitely trying to appeal to the conservative side in preparation for his future presidential campaign


well he just pissed off a bunch of black dems in sc. some are calling for his invite to be a speaker at the scdp convention next week be withdrawn


They're idiots. No one who is in favor of reparations will ever be elected president. I mean, look who's president right now and look at what he's done with DEI, and maybe these "black dems in sc" should rethink what their policy priorities are -- they're extremists and they're not helping the democratic party.


So far, you’re correct.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4863856-vice-president-harris-reparations/
Anonymous
Post 05/24/2025 06:00     Subject: Re:Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Slavery was an unquestionable evil. Unfortunately, far too much time and life events have transpired to ever be able to serve justice to either those victims who deserved restitution or to the perpetrators who weren’t held accountable for their crimes. Between waves of immigration bringing multitudes into our country generations after slavery was a memory, intermarriage blurring the distinction between races, and the loss of memory over time as to what roles our ancestors who were here may have had at the time, there is no way to untangle the messiness of life and accurately portion debt or recompense owed.

At this time, reparations can only serve to create resentment to fuel racism further. Let’s help people, regardless of race, based on need. There are lots of ways that individuals, by accident of birth rather than any actions of their own, have been disadvantaged. No one gets to choose their families.

Meanwhile, this seems a particularly absurd and hypocritical time to be talking about reparations. Our government, representing us, is currently “deporting” immigrants without any semblance of due process, let alone a trial and conviction, to a lifetime sentence in foreign prisons known for their brutality. The fact that the harsh conditions and brutality are taking place outside our borders does not absolve us of responsibility. OUR NATION IS CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING. INSTEAD OF ARGUING ABOUT THE REPARATIONS WE OWE EACH OTHER BASED ON DEBTS FROM/TO OUR ANCESTORS, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HALTING THE CURRENT INJUSTICE AND THE REPARATIONS WE MAY ALL EVENTUALLY OWE TO THOSE WE CURRENTLY ALLOW TO BE WRONGED.

I think the greatest debt owed to the past is to not repeat the evil that once took place, but to act responsibly in the present and to teach future generations by both word and example, so that it can never be allowed to recur.


Look, you might have just arrived in the United States and feel slavery has nothing to do with you, but ignoring it does not make it disappear. The story of Black America, a history that includes centuries of forced labor, the fight for freedom, and constant resilience, is baked into our laws, culture, and national wealth. It shaped the country long before recent waves of immigration and still shapes it today. You do not get to set the meter on what matters in U.S. history. The impact of the Black experience is a fact, not an opinion, and you cannot understand America without it.


Aren't Native Americans in line first?
Anonymous
Post 05/24/2025 01:31     Subject: Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Reparations will never survive a court challenge -- if you really think the six conservatives on the Supreme Court, who have basically stricken any race-based preference, will allow reparations, you're delusional. I don't love Wes Moore, but I think he's very smart, and he understands that pandering to the democratic party extremists, only to get nowhere in the courts, is stupid.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2025 22:50     Subject: Re:Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:Slavery was an unquestionable evil. Unfortunately, far too much time and life events have transpired to ever be able to serve justice to either those victims who deserved restitution or to the perpetrators who weren’t held accountable for their crimes. Between waves of immigration bringing multitudes into our country generations after slavery was a memory, intermarriage blurring the distinction between races, and the loss of memory over time as to what roles our ancestors who were here may have had at the time, there is no way to untangle the messiness of life and accurately portion debt or recompense owed.

At this time, reparations can only serve to create resentment to fuel racism further. Let’s help people, regardless of race, based on need. There are lots of ways that individuals, by accident of birth rather than any actions of their own, have been disadvantaged. No one gets to choose their families.

Meanwhile, this seems a particularly absurd and hypocritical time to be talking about reparations. Our government, representing us, is currently “deporting” immigrants without any semblance of due process, let alone a trial and conviction, to a lifetime sentence in foreign prisons known for their brutality. The fact that the harsh conditions and brutality are taking place outside our borders does not absolve us of responsibility. OUR NATION IS CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING. INSTEAD OF ARGUING ABOUT THE REPARATIONS WE OWE EACH OTHER BASED ON DEBTS FROM/TO OUR ANCESTORS, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HALTING THE CURRENT INJUSTICE AND THE REPARATIONS WE MAY ALL EVENTUALLY OWE TO THOSE WE CURRENTLY ALLOW TO BE WRONGED.

I think the greatest debt owed to the past is to not repeat the evil that once took place, but to act responsibly in the present and to teach future generations by both word and example, so that it can never be allowed to recur.


Look, you might have just arrived in the United States and feel slavery has nothing to do with you, but ignoring it does not make it disappear. The story of Black America, a history that includes centuries of forced labor, the fight for freedom, and constant resilience, is baked into our laws, culture, and national wealth. It shaped the country long before recent waves of immigration and still shapes it today. You do not get to set the meter on what matters in U.S. history. The impact of the Black experience is a fact, not an opinion, and you cannot understand America without it.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2025 22:27     Subject: Re:Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:Slavery was an unquestionable evil. Unfortunately, far too much time and life events have transpired to ever be able to serve justice to either those victims who deserved restitution or to the perpetrators who weren’t held accountable for their crimes. Between waves of immigration bringing multitudes into our country generations after slavery was a memory, intermarriage blurring the distinction between races, and the loss of memory over time as to what roles our ancestors who were here may have had at the time, there is no way to untangle the messiness of life and accurately portion debt or recompense owed.

At this time, reparations can only serve to create resentment to fuel racism further. Let’s help people, regardless of race, based on need. There are lots of ways that individuals, by accident of birth rather than any actions of their own, have been disadvantaged. No one gets to choose their families.

Meanwhile, this seems a particularly absurd and hypocritical time to be talking about reparations. Our government, representing us, is currently “deporting” immigrants without any semblance of due process, let alone a trial and conviction, to a lifetime sentence in foreign prisons known for their brutality. The fact that the harsh conditions and brutality are taking place outside our borders does not absolve us of responsibility. OUR NATION IS CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING. INSTEAD OF ARGUING ABOUT THE REPARATIONS WE OWE EACH OTHER BASED ON DEBTS FROM/TO OUR ANCESTORS, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HALTING THE CURRENT INJUSTICE AND THE REPARATIONS WE MAY ALL EVENTUALLY OWE TO THOSE WE CURRENTLY ALLOW TO BE WRONGED.

I think the greatest debt owed to the past is to not repeat the evil that once took place, but to act responsibly in the present and to teach future generations by both word and example, so that it can never be allowed to recur.


Your post is offensive because you treat slavery and its aftermath as a distant, untraceable mess rather than a continuing, well-documented injustice with living descendants. You also imply the harms are unrecorded and unknowable, even though enslaved people appear in censuses, bills of sale, probate files, and plantation journals, and later injustices, such as red-lining and GI Bill exclusions, were thoroughly documented. When you say things like “people moved here and races mixed, so it is hard to know who is responsible,” you ignore how wealth taken from enslaved labor was passed down through land titles, business assets, and public investments that still advantage white institutions and heirs today. You focus more on how complicated it would be than on doing what is right, suggesting reparations should be abandoned because the whole matter is inconvenient and “messy,” which tells a community that endured forced labor, legal segregation, and ongoing harm that their injury does not matter enough to fix.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2025 21:56     Subject: Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He’s definitely trying to appeal to the conservative side in preparation for his future presidential campaign


well he just pissed off a bunch of black dems in sc. some are calling for his invite to be a speaker at the scdp convention next week be withdrawn


They're idiots. No one who is in favor of reparations will ever be elected president. I mean, look who's president right now and look at what he's done with DEI, and maybe these "black dems in sc" should rethink what their policy priorities are -- they're extremists and they're not helping the democratic party.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2025 20:42     Subject: Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:He’s definitely trying to appeal to the conservative side in preparation for his future presidential campaign


well he just pissed off a bunch of black dems in sc. some are calling for his invite to be a speaker at the scdp convention next week be withdrawn
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2025 20:07     Subject: Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He was right to do so. Maryland is in a bad financial place. The credit rating was just downgraded by Moody's. They can't afford reparations right now, and that's even before you get into all the many, many practical problems with reparations at the state level. Spending a few million on a consultant to study reparations would be a waste.


The study was estimated to have cost $1-2 million (just to have a study). If Maryland is in such dire straights financially it seems like an illogical ask of tax payers to fund this while raising state taxes and drastically cutting other funding in seeking to balance the state budget. If this had been when the state was running at a surplus, then it probably would have been signed.


$2 million is nothing in the state budget. Wes Moore just wants to be president, so he will not sign up for something that will not advance that goal.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2025 10:08     Subject: Re:Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Slavery was an unquestionable evil. Unfortunately, far too much time and life events have transpired to ever be able to serve justice to either those victims who deserved restitution or to the perpetrators who weren’t held accountable for their crimes. Between waves of immigration bringing multitudes into our country generations after slavery was a memory, intermarriage blurring the distinction between races, and the loss of memory over time as to what roles our ancestors who were here may have had at the time, there is no way to untangle the messiness of life and accurately portion debt or recompense owed.

At this time, reparations can only serve to create resentment to fuel racism further. Let’s help people, regardless of race, based on need. There are lots of ways that individuals, by accident of birth rather than any actions of their own, have been disadvantaged. No one gets to choose their families.

Meanwhile, this seems a particularly absurd and hypocritical time to be talking about reparations. Our government, representing us, is currently “deporting” immigrants without any semblance of due process, let alone a trial and conviction, to a lifetime sentence in foreign prisons known for their brutality. The fact that the harsh conditions and brutality are taking place outside our borders does not absolve us of responsibility. OUR NATION IS CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING. INSTEAD OF ARGUING ABOUT THE REPARATIONS WE OWE EACH OTHER BASED ON DEBTS FROM/TO OUR ANCESTORS, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HALTING THE CURRENT INJUSTICE AND THE REPARATIONS WE MAY ALL EVENTUALLY OWE TO THOSE WE CURRENTLY ALLOW TO BE WRONGED.

I think the greatest debt owed to the past is to not repeat the evil that once took place, but to act responsibly in the present and to teach future generations by both word and example, so that it can never be allowed to recur.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2025 12:05     Subject: Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations
Anonymous wrote:Who cares how much the study would cost? I'm not seeing anywhere that the Governor said that the cost of the study was the issue. He said he doesn't believe reparations is an important issue.


He should be impeached by the voters!