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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of schools fit this qualification. It’s on the student to take advantage of what’s offered wherever they are.

Um...no. Prestige stops at around 60-70 on US News or 50 if you look at the old versions of US News (upon which many current reputations and perceptions of prestige are based). The overlap between any sort of prestige and not impossible to get into is slim.

If you look at where the students at the top law schools and medical
Schools went for undergrad, you’ll see places from all over the rankings. It’s ultimately on the student to do whatever it takes to get into top grad schools. They don’t have to be at a T-75 to do that.

They don't have to be from a top school, but students at top undergrad programs are overwhelmingly represented at top grad/prof programs. For example, my HYPSM undergrad sent 6-7 of us to my top professional school. There were kids from no-name schools too, but when that happened, there would only be 1. I assume they were the very top of their class.

University of Rochester
Case Western
Wake Forest
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Anonymous wrote:Lots of really fantastic schools outside the T60. You will get a better education and be set up for grad school and jobs at these schools better than the “prestigious”
“elitist” so called T60.

Some that come to mind. Pitt, Syracuse, Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa, Denison, Kenyon, Connecticut College, Wooster, DePauw, Allegheny, Elon, Miami Ohio, OSU, Dayton, DePaul, Loyola Chicago, Butler, Creighton, Furman, Sewanee, Rhodes, Penn State, Dickinson … list goes on and on.

Kids will do better at life and be happier here than they will be at an Ivy. Others won’t believe it but it’s the truth.

It’s a bit of a stretch to claim kids will do better at life if using conventional thought on “better”…some will and many won’t.

If by “better” you mean happy, well adjusted, good job and grad school prospects, great education … then, yes, these schools are better than ivies.

If by “better” you mean 90 hour a week job at Goldman Sachs, hookers and cocaine habit on the side, alimony payments to ex wife or single working mom raising kids, and kids who have serious mental health issues and hate you, then Ivy clearly better.

Again...many graduates of Allegheny as an example won't in fact get a good job or have good grad school prospects. If that was the case, the median salary and other data for all grads would support it. Some will attain those things. You need to focus on being top of the class.

You of course then threw out a complete exaggeration of an Ivy league grad to try to prove your point...which was silly.

I know one person who went to Allegheny. Went on to get his MBA at UChicago (third tier, I know!), worked his way up to senior executive at T100 company, made millions and just retired at 52.

There are plenty just like this. Go look at the C suites at most companies. Most probably have undergrad degrees from schools ranked 50+, and a high percentage from schools you rarely hear about. Why? Because it's what you do that matters, not where you went to college.

I know 20+ people worth over 10M. Only 1 of them attended an "elite college". the rest are executives who have proven themselves, stuck with a company and got rewarded when it sold. One even attended Salisbury U, but is highly motivated, smart and worked her way into the C suite by age 35. How? Because she's smart and damn good at what she does

You can't win the anecdote game, so why play?

Go look at the list of verified richest people in the world, vs. the made-up DCUM anecdotes. Go look at the Top 20, because that's where the anecdotes end.

I am a big supporter of places like IU and MSU as example...but the anecdotes all lead overwhelmingly towards attending an Elite school (including a top flagship; or dropping out of one) if that is going to guide your decision-making.

People, can we all agree that anecdotes aren't worth shit and stop using them...please?

If you're open to the South, Rhodes has good grad school placement. One of my colleagues: Rhodes to Harvard Law. Another's kid attended Rhodes, then PhD program at North Carolina.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of really fantastic schools outside the T60. You will get a better education and be set up for grad school and jobs at these schools better than the “prestigious”
“elitist” so called T60.

Some that come to mind. Pitt, Syracuse, Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa, Denison, Kenyon, Connecticut College, Wooster, DePauw, Allegheny, Elon, Miami Ohio, OSU, Dayton, DePaul, Loyola Chicago, Butler, Creighton, Furman, Sewanee, Rhodes, Penn State, Dickinson … list goes on and on.

Kids will do better at life and be happier here than they will be at an Ivy. Others won’t believe it but it’s the truth.

It’s a bit of a stretch to claim kids will do better at life if using conventional thought on “better”…some will and many won’t.

If by “better” you mean happy, well adjusted, good job and grad school prospects, great education … then, yes, these schools are better than ivies.

If by “better” you mean 90 hour a week job at Goldman Sachs, hookers and cocaine habit on the side, alimony payments to ex wife or single working mom raising kids, and kids who have serious mental health issues and hate you, then Ivy clearly better.

Again...many graduates of Allegheny as an example won't in fact get a good job or have good grad school prospects. If that was the case, the median salary and other data for all grads would support it. Some will attain those things. You need to focus on being top of the class.

You of course then threw out a complete exaggeration of an Ivy league grad to try to prove your point...which was silly.

I know one person who went to Allegheny. Went on to get his MBA at UChicago (third tier, I know!), worked his way up to senior executive at T100 company, made millions and just retired at 52.

There are plenty just like this. Go look at the C suites at most companies. Most probably have undergrad degrees from schools ranked 50+, and a high percentage from schools you rarely hear about. Why? Because it's what you do that matters, not where you went to college.

I know 20+ people worth over 10M. Only 1 of them attended an "elite college". the rest are executives who have proven themselves, stuck with a company and got rewarded when it sold. One even attended Salisbury U, but is highly motivated, smart and worked her way into the C suite by age 35. How? Because she's smart and damn good at what she does

Better off going to Allegheny if you want to go to grad school than you are going to Vanderbilt or UMich. Liberal arts schools - especially those ranked T30-60 - outperform ivies when it comes to grad school.


https://www.swarthmore.edu/sites/default/files/assets/documents/institutional-research/Doct%20Rates%20Top%20100%20Tot%20Sci%20Rankings%20-Summary%20to%202021.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of really fantastic schools outside the T60. You will get a better education and be set up for grad school and jobs at these schools better than the “prestigious”
“elitist” so called T60.

Some that come to mind. Pitt, Syracuse, Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa, Denison, Kenyon, Connecticut College, Wooster, DePauw, Allegheny, Elon, Miami Ohio, OSU, Dayton, DePaul, Loyola Chicago, Butler, Creighton, Furman, Sewanee, Rhodes, Penn State, Dickinson … list goes on and on.

Kids will do better at life and be happier here than they will be at an Ivy. Others won’t believe it but it’s the truth.

It’s a bit of a stretch to claim kids will do better at life if using conventional thought on “better”…some will and many won’t.

If by “better” you mean happy, well adjusted, good job and grad school prospects, great education … then, yes, these schools are better than ivies.

If by “better” you mean 90 hour a week job at Goldman Sachs, hookers and cocaine habit on the side, alimony payments to ex wife or single working mom raising kids, and kids who have serious mental health issues and hate you, then Ivy clearly better.

Again...many graduates of Allegheny as an example won't in fact get a good job or have good grad school prospects. If that was the case, the median salary and other data for all grads would support it. Some will attain those things. You need to focus on being top of the class.

You of course then threw out a complete exaggeration of an Ivy league grad to try to prove your point...which was silly.

I know one person who went to Allegheny. Went on to get his MBA at UChicago (third tier, I know!), worked his way up to senior executive at T100 company, made millions and just retired at 52.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid will be a freshman at Pitt. If he does well, I really don't think that will be a negative unless he is being compared to a kid from a top 20 school. I think this is the case for a lot of schools. There are plenty of smart kids out there.

I think Pitt is probably one of the very very best schools there is that is easy to get into.

This was a safety for DC and 97% of students from DC's HS get admitted. I still insisted on visiting Pitt and DC was grumbling that they don't need demonstrated interest to get into Pitt. Among all the schools we visited, the kids at Pitt were the happiest and most enthusiastic of all. More than anything this really put a stop to my stress at least. If this is the school DC's ends up, we would be happy. If Pitt played the games that some colleges do for ranking they would be top 30 school.

DC would be going to a T5 school, but Pitt was high up the potential colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of schools fit this qualification. It’s on the student to take advantage of what’s offered wherever they are.

Um...no. Prestige stops at around 60-70 on US News or 50 if you look at the old versions of US News (upon which many current reputations and perceptions of prestige are based). The overlap between any sort of prestige and not impossible to get into is slim.

On this basis, Michigan State and Indiana fit OP’s criteria. Both top 70 and high acceptance rates.

Indiana lol no jobs after graduation college is about getting a job
And Indiana has a horrible acceptance rate to grad schools

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LSU, MSU, and IU? Seriously, people? These are not even a little bit prestigious.

If a kid is hard-working and takes full advantage of what a campus has to offer, they’ll be fine.

University of Minnesota. I know I know...it's freezing most of the year.

Big 12 conference schools.

My kid will be a freshman at Pitt. If he does well, I really don't think that will be a negative unless he is being compared to a kid from a top 20 school. I think this is the case for a lot of schools. There are plenty of smart kids out there.

Based upon people I know who are doing extremely well- Ohio Wesleyan, Case, Kenyon, Wofford, Loyola Chicago, cal Poly, Mercer, Florida State, UT Houston, Texas A & M, UGA, Georgia Southern, Drew, Rutgers, Conn College, Clemson, Oklahoma, Drexel, JMU, NC State, and the list goes on and on….

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of really fantastic schools outside the T60. You will get a better education and be set up for grad school and jobs at these schools better than the “prestigious”
“elitist” so called T60.

Some that come to mind. Pitt, Syracuse, Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa, Denison, Kenyon, Connecticut College, Wooster, DePauw, Allegheny, Elon, Miami Ohio, OSU, Dayton, DePaul, Loyola Chicago, Butler, Creighton, Furman, Sewanee, Rhodes, Penn State, Dickinson … list goes on and on.

Kids will do better at life and be happier here than they will be at an Ivy. Others won’t believe it but it’s the truth.

It’s a bit of a stretch to claim kids will do better at life if using conventional thought on “better”…some will and many won’t.

If by “better” you mean happy, well adjusted, good job and grad school prospects, great education … then, yes, these schools are better than ivies.

If by “better” you mean 90 hour a week job at Goldman Sachs, hookers and cocaine habit on the side, alimony payments to ex wife or single working mom raising kids, and kids who have serious mental health issues and hate you, then Ivy clearly better.

Again...many graduates of Allegheny as an example won't in fact get a good job or have good grad school prospects. If that was the case, the median salary and other data for all grads would support it. Some will attain those things. You need to focus on being top of the class.

You of course then threw out a complete exaggeration of an Ivy league grad to try to prove your point...which was silly.