My son’s all-male HS has 1/3 T10/20s, and the rest T30-40. 200 kids.

We are not in the world people are talking about here. My firstborn is at a T10.

All of their classmates are super impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:Wah wah wah. My girls …girls on stem , girls on the run, girl bosses, and then we do t like the result of neglecting the boys since 2010…

Who will they marry? I guess each other.

Those boys that have the whole package are going to be in such high demand….the home wrecking, mate poaching, etc is going to go thru the roof.

This is already true. Every college-educated male with a pulse has a wife and family, if straight. I know many wonderful straight women with no husband/kids.

Oh gosh. This makes me worry for my DDs.

You should be worried too. So many never been married 30something women looking for a smart guy w/ $ and one with grown kids even better…

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Anonymous wrote:Wah wah wah. My girls …girls on stem , girls on the run, girl bosses, and then we do t like the result of neglecting the boys since 2010…

Who will they marry? I guess each other.

Those boys that have the whole package are going to be in such high demand….the home wrecking, mate poaching, etc is going to go thru the roof.

This is already true. Every college-educated male with a pulse has a wife and family, if straight. I know many wonderful straight women with no husband/kids.

Oh gosh. This makes me worry for my DDs.

Anonymous wrote:I think Asian boys are performing in line with girls. Asian boys are held to higher standards by their parents, and seem more individually motivated.

Exactly. A lot is expected of them, similar to the expectations on white men 100 years ago. Their culture also stresses the importance of education. At least the girls can marry Asian boys!

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/magazine/men-college-enrollment.html

‘There Was Definitely a Thumb on the Scale to Get Boys’
Declining male enrollment has led many colleges to adopt an unofficial policy: affirmative action for men.

It's a long article, but here's the start:

"Last year’s freshman class at Tulane was nearly two-thirds female. Tulane’s numbers are startling, but the school is not a radical outlier: There are close to three women for every two men in college in this country. (The way schools report gender may not yet reflect many students’ nonbinary understanding of it, but the overall trend is clear.) Last year, women edged out men in the freshman classes of every Ivy League school save Dartmouth, and the gender ratio is significantly skewed at many state schools. (The rising sophomore class at the University of Vermont is 67 percent female; the University of Alabama is 56 percent female.) Most small liberal-arts colleges are close to 60 percent female, and the discrepancy is even more pronounced at community colleges and historically Black colleges and universities. Colleges with powerhouse football teams or the word “technology” in their name, or elite schools known for engineering, like Carnegie Mellon, tend to be closer to parity or even have more men, but it is safe to say that a college graduate under 60 today is more likely to be female than male — especially since men also drop out of college more often than women.

The gender gap in educational achievement starts early: Girls are already significantly outperforming boys on reading and writing tests by the time they are in fourth grade, an advantage that is often attributed to differences in brain development, despite inconsistent findings in neuroscientific research to support that explanation. In high school, girls volunteer more on average, all the while getting higher grades, including in STEM subjects. By the time they graduate, they make up two-thirds of the top 10 percent of their class. Although men have historically performed better on standardized college-admissions tests, women have inched past them on the A.C.T. and almost closed the gap on the SAT."

Here in DC, at Howard, women make up about 3/4 of the students
https://magazine.howard.edu/stories/o-brothers-where-art-thou

I think Asian boys are performing in line with girls. Asian boys are held to higher standards by their parents, and seem more individually motivated.

Anonymous wrote:Wah wah wah. My girls …girls on stem , girls on the run, girl bosses, and then we do t like the result of neglecting the boys since 2010…

I have both a boy and a girl and I do find it fascinating how much girl messaging there still is out there when girls are clearly already kicking boys asses up one side and down the other throughout childhood.

I think we need to move the messaging more to the women and men having babies demographic. That's when it goes off the rails. Give them the t shirts and clubs and runs.

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Anonymous wrote:Wah wah wah. My girls …girls on stem , girls on the run, girl bosses, and then we do t like the result of neglecting the boys since 2010…

Who will they marry? I guess each other.

Those boys that have the whole package are going to be in such high demand….the home wrecking, mate poaching, etc is going to go thru the roof.

This is already true. Every college-educated male with a pulse has a wife and family, if straight. I know many wonderful straight women with no husband/kids.

And an endless supply of women trying to get them to leave their wives….

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Anonymous wrote:Wah wah wah. My girls …girls on stem , girls on the run, girl bosses, and then we do t like the result of neglecting the boys since 2010…

Who will they marry? I guess each other.

Those boys that have the whole package are going to be in such high demand….the home wrecking, mate poaching, etc is going to go thru the roof.

This is already true. Every college-educated male with a pulse has a wife and family, if straight. I know many wonderful straight women with no husband/kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls have higher GPAs than boys on average.

A lot more women teacher in high school.

The girls have better ECs too. They mature quicker and are more organized. It’s no surprise that they do better than the boys.

You’re both right. The elementary and middle school years of sit still, be quiet and pay attention with, what, 30 minutes of recess, does not jibe well with male developmental timelines. The boys come into high school with delayed executive functioning skills. So teachers, especially female teachers, often treat boys like broken girls.

People say this all the time, but this is the school system that was designed by men, for boys. Nothing has changed: the length of recess, the age of kids when they start high school. Are we suggesting that boys have had some sort of gene shift in the past 30 years?

This!!! Education today is actually MORE in line with what boys need. Schools were extremely strict decades ago when boys were killing it. When FINALLY given the opportunity for equality, girls surpassed them. It has nothing to do with the curriculum, which is more liberal/open than ever. Boys have always been less mature and slower to develop exec functioning. That is not why they're falling behind. It does no good to keep making excuses.

So in your view is this a problem to solve or not? Sounds like you think it's no problem.

I have a daughter and facts are the eligible pool for her to partner up with if she wants to have a family with a college-educated male is going to be smaller than the number of college-educated women looking for partners. Also, I believe this is one of the drivers of our current political climate, which is not going great.

Anonymous wrote:Wah wah wah. My girls …girls on stem , girls on the run, girl bosses, and then we do t like the result of neglecting the boys since 2010…

Who will they marry? I guess each other.

Those boys that have the whole package are going to be in such high demand….the home wrecking, mate poaching, etc is going to go thru the roof.

Anecdotal, but the majority of boys at my daughter’s public school don’t care about college. It’s all about being a professional athlete, rapper, or entrepreneur. The girls are more realistic with their career aspirations.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls have higher GPAs than boys on average.

A lot more women teacher in high school.

The girls have better ECs too. They mature quicker and are more organized. It’s no surprise that they do better than the boys.

You’re both right. The elementary and middle school years of sit still, be quiet and pay attention with, what, 30 minutes of recess, does not jibe well with male developmental timelines. The boys come into high school with delayed executive functioning skills. So teachers, especially female teachers, often treat boys like broken girls.

People say this all the time, but this is the school system that was designed by men, for boys. Nothing has changed: the length of recess, the age of kids when they start high school. Are we suggesting that boys have had some sort of gene shift in the past 30 years?

What HAS changed in the last 30 years is what it takes to get into a competitive college. Completely different landscape.

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Anonymous wrote:If you've truly _never_ met a non-high-achieving boy, you need to get out more. There are tons.

Yes, there are more girl applicants overall and they are on average stronger applicants. This has been discussed a lot:

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/23/opinion/to-all-the-girls-ive-rejected.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Fk8.ZLu1.ft1kBymmbDpI&smid=url-share

Same. Both my sons hang with super high achievers—-great kids, social, play sports too.

They say your future is determined by your 5 closest friends. I am glad mine have a good friend group.

Friends at what age??

College freshmen and rising Senior in HS.

The 5 people you hang out with is all ages

You hang out with low moral or cheaters or druggers or non-ambitious ….its going to rub off and influence you

+1 we put both in private HS. So glad to get the younger one afraid from the crowd he was hanging with. Best thing we ever did

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Anonymous wrote:Girls have higher GPAs than boys on average.

A lot more women teacher in high school.

The girls have better ECs too. They mature quicker and are more organized. It’s no surprise that they do better than the boys.

You’re both right. The elementary and middle school years of sit still, be quiet and pay attention with, what, 30 minutes of recess, does not jibe well with male developmental timelines. The boys come into high school with delayed executive functioning skills. So teachers, especially female teachers, often treat boys like broken girls.

People say this all the time, but this is the school system that was designed by men, for boys. Nothing has changed: the length of recess, the age of kids when they start high school. Are we suggesting that boys have had some sort of gene shift in the past 30 years?

This!!! Education today is actually MORE in line with what boys need. Schools were extremely strict decades ago when boys were killing it. When FINALLY given the opportunity for equality, girls surpassed them. It has nothing to do with the curriculum, which is more liberal/open than ever. Boys have always been less mature and slower to develop exec functioning. That is not why they're falling behind. It does no good to keep making excuses.