Anonymous
05/09/2025 16:45
Subject: Re:Trump cutting NSF grantmaking 50%
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am surprised this is not getting more attention here. Most probably have never heard of the NSF? Founded in 1950. If our president has its way, it will essentially be wiped out. Our universities will be second (or third) rate, if that.
The bigger economic impact will be loss of talent coming to the US to study. Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. We’ve benefited enormously by attracting the world’s top talent. Now we get to experience brain drain just like Russia.
Most are from China and India and many of them steal IP and cause significant harm to US economic and national security concerns.
China is already announcing missiles capable of penetrating US missiles defense system made possible by advanced technology stolen by Chinese doctoral students.
And India is rapidly becoming another version of China with stolen technologies. We do not want another version of China in india,,
When I worked at a University (STEM field) it was difficult to find US born grad students and post docs, especially ones who were actually qualified to do innovative work. Hopefully it’s different today, but I suspect that if we relied exclusively on US born scientists, we’d end up well behind the curve.
Funny did you ever think that is because these doctoral students are willing to accept lower wages and no way to fight for anything better. You are probably the same person that says we can't find anyone to pic our strawberries - let me tell you if pay enough US people will pick them.
and yet science budgets are being cut. so their salaries will go down.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 16:43
Subject: Re:Trump cutting NSF grantmaking 50%
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am surprised this is not getting more attention here. Most probably have never heard of the NSF? Founded in 1950. If our president has its way, it will essentially be wiped out. Our universities will be second (or third) rate, if that.
The bigger economic impact will be loss of talent coming to the US to study. Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. We’ve benefited enormously by attracting the world’s top talent. Now we get to experience brain drain just like Russia.
Most are from China and India and many of them steal IP and cause significant harm to US economic and national security concerns.
China is already announcing missiles capable of penetrating US missiles defense system made possible by advanced technology stolen by Chinese doctoral students.
And India is rapidly becoming another version of China with stolen technologies. We do not want another version of China in india,,
When I worked at a University (STEM field) it was difficult to find US born grad students and post docs, especially ones who were actually qualified to do innovative work. Hopefully it’s different today, but I suspect that if we relied exclusively on US born scientists, we’d end up well behind the curve.
Funny did you ever think that is because these doctoral students are willing to accept lower wages and no way to fight for anything better. You are probably the same person that says we can't find anyone to pic our strawberries - let me tell you if pay enough US people will pick them.
Wow, both you and Donnie are stuck in ancient economic times. What the will price of strawberries be? Who will buy them? What’s the effect on demand? How does that new demand affect the rest of the economy?
My god, real economists have tried explaining this again and again and you and Don are over here finger painting with your own poo.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 16:17
Subject: Re:Trump cutting NSF grantmaking 50%
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am surprised this is not getting more attention here. Most probably have never heard of the NSF? Founded in 1950. If our president has its way, it will essentially be wiped out. Our universities will be second (or third) rate, if that.
The bigger economic impact will be loss of talent coming to the US to study. Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. We’ve benefited enormously by attracting the world’s top talent. Now we get to experience brain drain just like Russia.
Most are from China and India and many of them steal IP and cause significant harm to US economic and national security concerns.
China is already announcing missiles capable of penetrating US missiles defense system made possible by advanced technology stolen by Chinese doctoral students.
And India is rapidly becoming another version of China with stolen technologies. We do not want another version of China in india,,
When I worked at a University (STEM field) it was difficult to find US born grad students and post docs, especially ones who were actually qualified to do innovative work. Hopefully it’s different today, but I suspect that if we relied exclusively on US born scientists, we’d end up well behind the curve.
Funny did you ever think that is because these doctoral students are willing to accept lower wages and no way to fight for anything better. You are probably the same person that says we can't find anyone to pic our strawberries - let me tell you if pay enough US people will pick them.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 16:05
Subject: Trump cutting NSF grantmaking 50%
Anonymous wrote:They also introduced the same 50% overhead cap that the NIH got suspended a month or two ago
15% overhead cap, not 50%. 50% would have been a challenge, but perhaps not devastating. 15% is devastating.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 16:03
Subject: Re:Trump cutting NSF grantmaking 50%
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am surprised this is not getting more attention here. Most probably have never heard of the NSF? Founded in 1950. If our president has its way, it will essentially be wiped out. Our universities will be second (or third) rate, if that.
The bigger economic impact will be loss of talent coming to the US to study. Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. We’ve benefited enormously by attracting the world’s top talent. Now we get to experience brain drain just like Russia.
Most are from China and India and many of them steal IP and cause significant harm to US economic and national security concerns.
China is already announcing missiles capable of penetrating US missiles defense system made possible by advanced technology stolen by Chinese doctoral students.
And India is rapidly becoming another version of China with stolen technologies. We do not want another version of China in india,,
So the solution is
* cut funding to science by 50%
* raise the price of scientific employees
result: brain drain to China where they actually have enough money to buy equipment to do science and have a large enough team to do it.
that is the solution you want?
Yes - clueless people on this board. You don't get ahead of your competition by shutting down local research and development. Because that is exactly what they are doing by defunding research and fighting universities on all fronts. And American students looking to do PhDs will now have to go abroad to do so, because there is no longer funding available domestically.