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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

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...Telling everyone it is "cool" to be fat just makes the lazy people in society get even fatter...

Wow, I guess I am just so lazy...
I am 5'6" and weighed 120 until I was 55. I had 3 kids, gained 50 lbs with each - up to 170, back to 120 after each baby. Stayed at 120 until age 55.

Then virtually overnight I gained 50 lbs, while I was in a marathon running group, which I ran in for 15 years. I cut back on calories by skipping breakfast or just having a hard boiled egg or chunk of cheese, eating half of my usual protein and vegetable heavy lunch (zero calorie salad dressing or sauces), then eating the other half for dinner. I eat virtually no sugar or white stuff (rice, potatoes, flour, etc). I drink water only and no caloric beverages. Consume 1200-1500 calories per day.

But I am so "lazy".

Does it count that I did everything right for 55 years and now with no behavior changes post menopause I suddenly am size XL after being a 6 for the majority of my adult life? And with 15 years in a long distance running club, I saw virtually no one lose weight while running year in and year out. The thin people stayed thin, the thicker people stayed thick. Although we did have stronger muscles and lungs.

I walk (instead of run) and bike now and added more strength training to take myself into my older years without losing muscle.

But I apologize for being so "lazy".

Grrr, do not be so judgmental if you are lucky to be 60 or older and not have this frustrating weight gain (yet).

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

Another DP and I agree with you that obesity is happening due to systemic issues and not just lack of personal responsibility by each individual obese person.

Which is why OP's premise is exactly backwards. OP is arguing that obesity is fine but there's a conspiracy among the powers that be to try and convince us that obesity is bad so that they can more effectively starve us and force us to do physical work.

In reality, "the powers that be" are likely responsible for obesity, creating a food supply loaded with hyper-processed foods.

Bolded part = Food Pyramid. Created decades ago by government. That will make you think, if you are capable of reflection.

Italics part = backwards. You meant a conspiracy to make people think obesity is ok. "big is beautiful" propangada.

Picture show a morbidly obese and unhealthy woman, yet the "powers that be" are gaslighting gullible people into thinking that's ok.

So we started celebrating obese people and the.ln people became obese

Pretty much it. Telling everyone it is "cool" to be fat just makes the lazy people in society get even fatter.

Remember when Rosie O'Donnell and John Candy were considered hilariously obese and put in fat character roles? Now they look smaller than the average person you see waddling around in public.

the fatshaming in this post is extreme.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

+1 70% of US adults are overweight or obese. Adults are surrounded by ultra processed sugary foods and have sedentary jobs and limited time to cook or exercise. What did folks think was going to happen?

are you a goose bred for pate? do you not control what goes in your mouth?

Says you, a person who cant control her mouth?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

People struggle to loose weight because their diet is crap and they don't get exercise. All you need to do is walk 10K steps per day (done in 45 -60 mins total) and eat healthier. Cut out crap and eat Whole Foods and ditch carbs that are not from fruits and veggies.
People also don't want to fix their issues, they just want a pill, which typically has other side effects, so they need another pill, etc........

Are Americans as a whole less willing to "fix their issues" than Europeans who have much lower obesity rates? Why?

Most europeans walk way more than we do. They also routinely eat much better---Whole Foods and a lot less crap is eaten in Europe.
Just go look at portion sizes at restaurants---you rarely will need a carryout box in Europe.

And yes, most Americans are not willing to "fix their issues". They complain complain complain but don't want to address the real issues. I get it, it's hard to do once you are 50lbs+ overweight. I just don't get how you let yourself get there. If I got 10lbs over my ideal weight, I adjust my diet and focus on walking more. In the office, I take the stairs, as long as I'm not carrying a ton. You can get 2-4K steps during the day from just doing that. I get out to walk for 10 mins with lunch and I make an effort to eat healthy

Btw I am not obese so spare me your "advice" - and btw people have been giving this advice for decades and the obesity crisis has only grown so maybe save your breath.

I totally agree that the US should look to Europe. They walk more because their cities are designed differently. They eat better because their food supply is more regulated and people work fewer hours, so they have more time to cook. I would love for the US to be more like Europe but we designed our communities to be car dependent and let the food industry guide our health guidance.

People are not consistently following the advice. You are talking about changing the structure to make the advice easier to follow (which I agree with!), but it has never stopped being good advice.

Why continue doing something that doesn't work? You are wasting your time. Prior to the development of GLP-1 drugs, the medical establishment had a record of abject failure on helping people to lose weight. Your advice is not new. This is what doctors have been telling people for decades. People know they should exercise more and eat less. You're not adding anything by screeching this advice incessantly to them.

It does work. People don’t consistently follow it.

No, giving this advice has not reduced obesity rates. Many people do succeed in losing weight, but my guess is zero of them succeeded because they saw your DCUM posts.

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Anonymous wrote:it makes you harder to starve, and may reduce your ability to perform physical labor for the state.

Change my mind.

Honestly this heartbreaking post makes me cry for the state of education in this country. Your life must be so sorry. We have failed you.

Not OP, but it has to be tongue in cheek.

Anonymous wrote:it makes you harder to starve, and may reduce your ability to perform physical labor for the state.

Change my mind.

Honestly this heartbreaking post makes me cry for the state of education in this country. Your life must be so sorry. We have failed you.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

Another DP and I agree with you that obesity is happening due to systemic issues and not just lack of personal responsibility by each individual obese person.

Which is why OP's premise is exactly backwards. OP is arguing that obesity is fine but there's a conspiracy among the powers that be to try and convince us that obesity is bad so that they can more effectively starve us and force us to do physical work.

In reality, "the powers that be" are likely responsible for obesity, creating a food supply loaded with hyper-processed foods.

Bolded part = Food Pyramid. Created decades ago by government. That will make you think, if you are capable of reflection.

Italics part = backwards. You meant a conspiracy to make people think obesity is ok. "big is beautiful" propangada.

Picture show a morbidly obese and unhealthy woman, yet the "powers that be" are gaslighting gullible people into thinking that's ok.

So we started celebrating obese people and the.ln people became obese

Pretty much it. Telling everyone it is "cool" to be fat just makes the lazy people in society get even fatter.

Remember when Rosie O'Donnell and John Candy were considered hilariously obese and put in fat character roles? Now they look smaller than the average person you see waddling around in public.

Anonymous wrote:it makes you harder to starve, and may reduce your ability to perform physical labor for the state.

Change my mind.

Try going around one whole day with a 40-lb suitcase attached to your srm

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

People struggle to loose weight because their diet is crap and they don't get exercise. All you need to do is walk 10K steps per day (done in 45 -60 mins total) and eat healthier. Cut out crap and eat Whole Foods and ditch carbs that are not from fruits and veggies.
People also don't want to fix their issues, they just want a pill, which typically has other side effects, so they need another pill, etc........

Are Americans as a whole less willing to "fix their issues" than Europeans who have much lower obesity rates? Why?

Most europeans walk way more than we do. They also routinely eat much better---Whole Foods and a lot less crap is eaten in Europe.
Just go look at portion sizes at restaurants---you rarely will need a carryout box in Europe.

And yes, most Americans are not willing to "fix their issues". They complain complain complain but don't want to address the real issues. I get it, it's hard to do once you are 50lbs+ overweight. I just don't get how you let yourself get there. If I got 10lbs over my ideal weight, I adjust my diet and focus on walking more. In the office, I take the stairs, as long as I'm not carrying a ton. You can get 2-4K steps during the day from just doing that. I get out to walk for 10 mins with lunch and I make an effort to eat healthy

Btw I am not obese so spare me your "advice" - and btw people have been giving this advice for decades and the obesity crisis has only grown so maybe save your breath.

I totally agree that the US should look to Europe. They walk more because their cities are designed differently. They eat better because their food supply is more regulated and people work fewer hours, so they have more time to cook. I would love for the US to be more like Europe but we designed our communities to be car dependent and let the food industry guide our health guidance.

People are not consistently following the advice. You are talking about changing the structure to make the advice easier to follow (which I agree with!), but it has never stopped being good advice.

Why continue doing something that doesn't work? You are wasting your time. Prior to the development of GLP-1 drugs, the medical establishment had a record of abject failure on helping people to lose weight. Your advice is not new. This is what doctors have been telling people for decades. People know they should exercise more and eat less. You're not adding anything by screeching this advice incessantly to them.

It does work. People don’t consistently follow it.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

People struggle to loose weight because their diet is crap and they don't get exercise. All you need to do is walk 10K steps per day (done in 45 -60 mins total) and eat healthier. Cut out crap and eat Whole Foods and ditch carbs that are not from fruits and veggies.
People also don't want to fix their issues, they just want a pill, which typically has other side effects, so they need another pill, etc........

Are Americans as a whole less willing to "fix their issues" than Europeans who have much lower obesity rates? Why?

Most europeans walk way more than we do. They also routinely eat much better---Whole Foods and a lot less crap is eaten in Europe.
Just go look at portion sizes at restaurants---you rarely will need a carryout box in Europe.

And yes, most Americans are not willing to "fix their issues". They complain complain complain but don't want to address the real issues. I get it, it's hard to do once you are 50lbs+ overweight. I just don't get how you let yourself get there. If I got 10lbs over my ideal weight, I adjust my diet and focus on walking more. In the office, I take the stairs, as long as I'm not carrying a ton. You can get 2-4K steps during the day from just doing that. I get out to walk for 10 mins with lunch and I make an effort to eat healthy

Btw I am not obese so spare me your "advice" - and btw people have been giving this advice for decades and the obesity crisis has only grown so maybe save your breath.

I totally agree that the US should look to Europe. They walk more because their cities are designed differently. They eat better because their food supply is more regulated and people work fewer hours, so they have more time to cook. I would love for the US to be more like Europe but we designed our communities to be car dependent and let the food industry guide our health guidance.

People are not consistently following the advice. You are talking about changing the structure to make the advice easier to follow (which I agree with!), but it has never stopped being good advice.

Why continue doing something that doesn't work? You are wasting your time. Prior to the development of GLP-1 drugs, the medical establishment had a record of abject failure on helping people to lose weight. Your advice is not new. This is what doctors have been telling people for decades. People know they should exercise more and eat less. You're not adding anything by screeching this advice incessantly to them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

They struggle to lose weight because they're unable to control themselves. Just look at how many of the Diet and Exercise threads are people using medication to lose weight.

We have a culture that values spending money on personal aesthetic improvement/body modification, spending money on pharma drugs, and spending your leisure time exactly how you want to.

It's not all about inability to control appetite. Some of it comes from extreme control over appearance and time use preferences.

I have no idea what you trying to say with this comment.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

People struggle to loose weight because their diet is crap and they don't get exercise. All you need to do is walk 10K steps per day (done in 45 -60 mins total) and eat healthier. Cut out crap and eat Whole Foods and ditch carbs that are not from fruits and veggies.
People also don't want to fix their issues, they just want a pill, which typically has other side effects, so they need another pill, etc........

Are Americans as a whole less willing to "fix their issues" than Europeans who have much lower obesity rates? Why?

Most europeans walk way more than we do. They also routinely eat much better---Whole Foods and a lot less crap is eaten in Europe.
Just go look at portion sizes at restaurants---you rarely will need a carryout box in Europe.

And yes, most Americans are not willing to "fix their issues". They complain complain complain but don't want to address the real issues. I get it, it's hard to do once you are 50lbs+ overweight. I just don't get how you let yourself get there. If I got 10lbs over my ideal weight, I adjust my diet and focus on walking more. In the office, I take the stairs, as long as I'm not carrying a ton. You can get 2-4K steps during the day from just doing that. I get out to walk for 10 mins with lunch and I make an effort to eat healthy

Btw I am not obese so spare me your "advice" - and btw people have been giving this advice for decades and the obesity crisis has only grown so maybe save your breath.

I totally agree that the US should look to Europe. They walk more because their cities are designed differently. They eat better because their food supply is more regulated and people work fewer hours, so they have more time to cook. I would love for the US to be more like Europe but we designed our communities to be car dependent and let the food industry guide our health guidance.

People are not consistently following the advice. You are talking about changing the structure to make the advice easier to follow (which I agree with!), but it has never stopped being good advice.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

They struggle to lose weight because they're unable to control themselves. Just look at how many of the Diet and Exercise threads are people using medication to lose weight.

We have a culture that values spending money on personal aesthetic improvement/body modification, spending money on pharma drugs, and spending your leisure time exactly how you want to.

It's not all about inability to control appetite. Some of it comes from extreme control over appearance and time use preferences.