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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They tend to be undereducated and struggling to grasp scientific concepts. They don’t like to feel stupid so they cling to conspiracy theories.

This is hilarious. It’s actually upper middle class striver midwits who don’t like to feel stupid so the parrot the “experts” without understanding the incentive structures influencing those experts.

These “sophisticated” Dems who trust the FDA also fancy themselves more… European… in intellect and outlook, without realizing that most of our “expert-approved” food products are illegal in Europe. I guess those Euros are conspiracy theorists!

I don’t know what you are referring to - what food product is illegal in Europe but not in USA or Canada?
Certainly not food dyes, the same 5 we use here are used in Europe and Canada.

+1

Not to mention other countries also use some other food dyes we don't. But keep parroting the right wing talking point about food dyes while we all drink water with PFAs!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They tend to be undereducated and struggling to grasp scientific concepts. They don’t like to feel stupid so they cling to conspiracy theories.

This is hilarious. It’s actually upper middle class striver midwits who don’t like to feel stupid so the parrot the “experts” without understanding the incentive structures influencing those experts.

These “sophisticated” Dems who trust the FDA also fancy themselves more… European… in intellect and outlook, without realizing that most of our “expert-approved” food products are illegal in Europe. I guess those Euros are conspiracy theorists!

I don’t know what you are referring to - what food product is illegal in Europe but not in USA or Canada?
Certainly not food dyes, the same 5 we use here are used in Europe and Canada.

Google is your friend.

dcurbanmoms are mostly liberal arts majors and bad-at-math law school attendees who later in life (once the academic coast was clear) claimed “without evidence” that they now “f**king love science.” Lol

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They tend to be undereducated and struggling to grasp scientific concepts. They don’t like to feel stupid so they cling to conspiracy theories.

This is hilarious. It’s actually upper middle class striver midwits who don’t like to feel stupid so the parrot the “experts” without understanding the incentive structures influencing those experts.

These “sophisticated” Dems who trust the FDA also fancy themselves more… European… in intellect and outlook, without realizing that most of our “expert-approved” food products are illegal in Europe. I guess those Euros are conspiracy theorists!

+1. This board is filled with cum laude English majors who think they're basically scientists because they and our public health officials hate the same people.

It's the same crew that felt obliged to explain to you in high school how actually their liberal arts college was the best school for their intended course of study, as if to suggest they passed up their Harvard admission offer.

You are describing a figment of your own imagination and not a real person. Like Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

lol someone who no doubt fits the description disagrees while working in a Don Quixote allusion. Chef's kiss.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They tend to be undereducated and struggling to grasp scientific concepts. They don’t like to feel stupid so they cling to conspiracy theories.

This is hilarious. It’s actually upper middle class striver midwits who don’t like to feel stupid so the parrot the “experts” without understanding the incentive structures influencing those experts.

These “sophisticated” Dems who trust the FDA also fancy themselves more… European… in intellect and outlook, without realizing that most of our “expert-approved” food products are illegal in Europe. I guess those Euros are conspiracy theorists!

+1. This board is filled with cum laude English majors who think they're basically scientists because they and our public health officials hate the same people.

It's the same crew that felt obliged to explain to you in high school how actually their liberal arts college was the best school for their intended course of study, as if to suggest they passed up their Harvard admission offer.

You are describing a figment of your own imagination and not a real person. Like Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

Anonymous wrote:It’s Mother Nature’s way of thinning the herd. We’ve gotten very good at reducing death rates from communicable diseases, women generally survive childbirth, 23-weekers routinely survive, and children with genetic malformations are living way longer than in any other time in history. Kids used to waste away within years due to inborn errors of metabolism or things like CF. Now those kids can easily live to adulthood and pass those genes on to entire generations. Old people routinely live well past the time pneumonia or cancer or heart disease would have taken out their grandparents.

All of these things are great on the surface, and wow science! But there can be little doubt it’s bad for the planet and the fitness of the species to let our growth rates continue unchecked. Like when you see foxes killed off, there is an explosion of rabbits, until the coyotes are tempted to move back in and restore natural order.

So in humans Mother Nature starts with the stupid and the antisocial and uses them to move on to the vulnerable. She gets her way eventually, she always does. Think of how the plague spread. People running around spreading their disease everywhere even when under quarantine.

Kind of amazing when you look at it that way - she uses the stupid and the antisocial to do her work. Part of the programming built right in from the beginning. And she’s doing it now.

Yes. And this is why I support gutting USAID.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They tend to be undereducated and struggling to grasp scientific concepts. They don’t like to feel stupid so they cling to conspiracy theories.

This is hilarious. It’s actually upper middle class striver midwits who don’t like to feel stupid so the parrot the “experts” without understanding the incentive structures influencing those experts.

These “sophisticated” Dems who trust the FDA also fancy themselves more… European… in intellect and outlook, without realizing that most of our “expert-approved” food products are illegal in Europe. I guess those Euros are conspiracy theorists!

+1. This board is filled with cum laude English majors who think they're basically scientists because they and our public health officials hate the same people.

It's the same crew that felt obliged to explain to you in high school how actually their liberal arts college was the best school for their intended course of study, as if to suggest they passed up their Harvard admission offer.

If you want choices, grocery stores like Aldi, Trader Joe’s, and Whole Foods have banned artificial dyes from all of their private-label products. No one is stopping you from buying their versus, candy, yogurt, etc. that use natural coloring.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They tend to be undereducated and struggling to grasp scientific concepts. They don’t like to feel stupid so they cling to conspiracy theories.

This is hilarious. It’s actually upper middle class striver midwits who don’t like to feel stupid so the parrot the “experts” without understanding the incentive structures influencing those experts.

These “sophisticated” Dems who trust the FDA also fancy themselves more… European… in intellect and outlook, without realizing that most of our “expert-approved” food products are illegal in Europe. I guess those Euros are conspiracy theorists!

I don’t know what you are referring to - what food product is illegal in Europe but not in USA or Canada?
Certainly not food dyes, the same 5 we use here are used in Europe and Canada.

^ alternatively, here is her substack, no need to sign up
https://drjessicaknurick.substack.com/

Everyone should follow @drjessicaknurick.bsky.social and watch her videos.

She does such a good job explaining the grift behind MAHA and the way money is shaping the current attacks on science.

Anonymous wrote:They tend to be undereducated and struggling to grasp scientific concepts. They don’t like to feel stupid so they cling to conspiracy theories.

This is hilarious. It’s actually upper middle class striver midwits who don’t like to feel stupid so the parrot the “experts” without understanding the incentive structures influencing those experts.

These “sophisticated” Dems who trust the FDA also fancy themselves more… European… in intellect and outlook, without realizing that most of our “expert-approved” food products are illegal in Europe. I guess those Euros are conspiracy theorists!

Anonymous wrote:They tend to be undereducated and struggling to grasp scientific concepts. They don’t like to feel stupid so they cling to conspiracy theories.

"Conspiracy theory" has become such a meaningless pejorative. We are getting fatter and sicker. Something is causing it. Hypothesizing what that cause might be is not a conspiracy theory.

They tend to be undereducated and struggling to grasp scientific concepts. They don’t like to feel stupid so they cling to conspiracy theories.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hey OP, eating healthier has nothing to do with lack of money or education.

It is LITERALLY aout passing the vegetable aisle and going for the Twinkies. It's a lack of will power by the individual.

No amount of money or government indoctrination will fix that.[/quote]

I used to think like you. I've never struggled with weight and I'm fit and trim. I don't eat twinkies, etc. But as I've looked into the issue, I have become aware that we have many cancer causing additives in our food- even healthy food that normal people eat, like yogurt, bread, salad dressing, etc. These are items that are part of a typical healthy diet, yet can cause cancer because of the way they are made in the US. Even our vegetables are less nutrient dense than in previous generations- so simply avoiding processed foods only gets you part of the way there. Our food system has been so disrupted that you can't go to a regular grocery store *at all* and be assured that the food is healthy. [/quote]

I used to think this too. But I think what this train of thought misses is the huge effect that our microbiome has on psychology and food choices. A Chinese research company last summer found through the use of AI that they could distinguish between the excrement of people with autism and neurotypicals based on metabolites and other waste byproduct. (I might be a tad imprecise in my language, but I believe that is the upshot.). Anyone with experience with autism knows that, among those who suffer from the condition and have restricted diets, there is a clear preference for certain types of foods, often highly processed carbohydrates. You can debate how much of that is chicken and egg, but there is likely a feedback loop between microbiome and the psychology of food.

On that understanding, it seems very reasonable to expect the government to protect people from their own choices to some extent. [/quote]

After cigarettes were outlawed, the cigarettes companies bought food companies (Philip Morris bought General Foods and Kraft, RJ Reynolds bought Nabisco, etc). Then they transitioned all their chemists and scientists that had worked to make cigarettes more appealing and addictive, and put them to work on food. And obesity has skyrocketed, and people claim this is a discipline issue.

I'm not affected by this-- I'm called anorexic and disordered over on the diet and exercise forum because I'm quite open that I maintain my healthy but low weight through restriction. But that is what is required these days because our food supply is basically full of addictive chemicals that stimulate appetite.

For decades, the government has done nothing about this. Everyone patted their backs for outlawing cigarettes, when in reality, the problem is now worse than it ever was when they were just slinging tobacco, because it's in everything a normal person eats. You have to go through independent farms to get even close to a natural, undrugged food source at this point. [/quote]

I am your mirror image. It's embarrassing, but I have next to no willpower over food. If there are sweets in my house, they're in the back of my mind. It's like a mental tax at best and a shame-filled indulgence at worst. I'm not overweight, but I think all the time about how I'm surely building insulin resistance, and I have some sense of all the things that smart people will tell you totally aren't caused by diabetes but that they'll concede are correlated with it. It feels like gaslighting to me when people pretend that the junk in our food isn't addictive. They didn't slip added sugar in all our food for just no reason. [/quote]

This is why people voted Trump (and Kennedy). The elite establishment types allowed this to happen and were fine with it. It’s become increasingly obvious that establishment politicians will gladly sacrifice the health of the voters if it helps their corporate donors make more profits. People are so desperate to escape from this sick system of predatory government that they are willing to try anything.

(And as a side note, anti-Trump Democrats who oppose everything got pushed into a corner of DEFENDING the corrupt establishment. Which is a very unattractive corner to be stuck in when the electorate is increasingly aware of and horrified by the way the establishment deliberately hurts them to help donors.)