Anonymous
05/01/2025 00:17
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Of course it isn’t. It’s right there in the Constitution. This is not rocket science.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 21:18
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
Then the same can be said of Americans abroad. What arrogance y’all have.
Well, yes. Duh. If Americans abroad are found to be engaging in actions considered unfriendly, those governments are fully within their rights to send them home. Why would you ASSume otherwise? Talk about arrogant...
DP
Anonymous
04/30/2025 21:14
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
Then don't ever say we are a great nation. If that's a natural consequence, we suck. Especially because you know very well it's not uniformly applied.
DP.
Ridiculous. No nation on earth allows foreign visitors unfettered and unlimited rights to protest and otherwise disrupt society.
Doing so (a) raises obvious national security concerns and (b) interferes with our (Americans’) ability to govern ourselves.
Should devout foreign students visiting the US be allowed to protest against gay rights and call for violence against LGBTQ people?
Should Russian tourists be allowed to protest against US support for Ukraine?
I don’t think so.
What you think and what the law says are two different things.
DP. So you'd be just fine with the bolded happening? Because I'm 100% sure most Americans would want those hypothetical people removed from the country ASAP.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 21:04
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
Comments like the above just show how MAGA doesn’t understand the basic concepts and ideas that we are discussing in the first place. The first amendment is clear. Government cannot “prohibit” or “abridge” free speech. Period. Trump is counting on the stupidity of the American people and it seems like the people are really going to give it to him.
They are free to say anything they want.
And the US government is allowed to revoke their visa if that speech is seen as a violation of their visa’s rules.
I get it. Foreign nationals have been allowed into this country and permitted to run wild forgetting they are guests here.
But that is coming to an end. Respect your host country, don’t break any laws, if you don’t agree with the government leave and protest it in your native country. It is very simple.
THIS ^^. Pretty amazing that the left - who screeches about the concept of "you can say whatever you want, but no one is immune from the consequences of that speech" - are now insisting that a foreign national, here as a GUEST in our country, can engage in disruptive political demonstrations without repercussions. I can't even imagine an American in a foreign country on a green card, behaving like this and then expecting to be immune from deportation. You'd kind of imagine that anyone here on a visa would be on their best behavior so as not to draw the attention of immigration. The arrogance is pretty breathtaking.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 20:52
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
This is correct. If your exercise of Free Speech violates one of the conditions of your visa or permanent residency status, those can be revoked.
Where does it say in visa or permanent status regulations that exercising free speech is a basis on which to revoke that status? Please link to that language. Thank you.
The Immigration and Nationality Act allows the denial or revocation of a visa of ‘any alien who . . . endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization."
Why isn't Trump reporting the supporters of the Zionist terrorists?
Because Betar, Canary Mission and the other foreign state influences on American soil are not telling him to.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 20:50
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
Thank you. Amazing that this has to be stated and restated.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 19:38
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
This is correct. If your exercise of Free Speech violates one of the conditions of your visa or permanent residency status, those can be revoked.
Where does it say in visa or permanent status regulations that exercising free speech is a basis on which to revoke that status? Please link to that language. Thank you.
The Immigration and Nationality Act allows the denial or revocation of a visa of ‘any alien who . . . endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization."
Why isn't Trump reporting the supporters of the Zionist terrorists?
Anonymous
04/30/2025 18:25
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
This is correct. If your exercise of Free Speech violates one of the conditions of your visa or permanent residency status, those can be revoked.
Would you happen to have a source for these "conditions" so I can read them myself? Or do those "conditions" just pop-up when it is convenient?
It's probably stamped in fine print on their Visa papers, right next to the big bold letters "Temporary".
Sorry but Mohsen Madawi is a PERMANENT LEGAL resident.
He is not a US citizen. Which means he can be removed because he is still a foreign national from Palestine and won’t be left stateless.
Palestine is not a state (yet).
Anonymous
04/30/2025 16:47
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
This is correct. If your exercise of Free Speech violates one of the conditions of your visa or permanent residency status, those can be revoked.
Would you happen to have a source for these "conditions" so I can read them myself? Or do those "conditions" just pop-up when it is convenient?
It's probably stamped in fine print on their Visa papers, right next to the big bold letters "Temporary".
Sorry but Mohsen Madawi is a PERMANENT LEGAL resident.
He is not a US citizen. Which means he can be removed because he is still a foreign national from Palestine and won’t be left stateless.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 16:47
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
Then the same can be said of Americans abroad. What arrogance y’all have.
Of course. It is OK to have laws that protect a sovereign nation against foreign agitators.
And if an American violates the laws in the foreign country they reside in, they can be removed.
This isn’t rocket science people.
Define "foreign agitator." Give a specific example of one and what they said that made them deportable.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 16:38
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
Then the same can be said of Americans abroad. What arrogance y’all have.
Of course. It is OK to have laws that protect a sovereign nation against foreign agitators.
And if an American violates the laws in the foreign country they reside in, they can be removed.
This isn’t rocket science people.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 16:29
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
This is correct. If your exercise of Free Speech violates one of the conditions of your visa or permanent residency status, those can be revoked.
Where does it say in visa or permanent status regulations that exercising free speech is a basis on which to revoke that status? Please link to that language. Thank you.
The Immigration and Nationality Act allows the denial or revocation of a visa of ‘any alien who . . . endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization."
Come on. The real line should be
“ any alien who . . . endorses or espouses terrorist activity THAT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION DEEMS TO BE OUR ENEMY or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization THAT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION DEEMS TO BE OUR ENEMY“
Nicaraguan contras?
Mujahideen in Afghanistan?
Taliban?
These are all terrorist organizations that the U.S., at one point, supported.
Trump has done a 180 with his treatment of Ukraine and I honestly would not be surprised if he started to accuse Zelenskyy of being an anti-Semite and a nazi, like his hero, Putin. What then? Do we revoke visas and deport all non citizens who have a history of sympathy for Ukraine?
What if we get elect a president who doesn’t believe in Zionism? Do we get rid of everyone who espoused pro-Israel views?
If we don’t protect free speech, we are sunk.
Yes, that is how democracy works. Whoever is elected gets to set the rules.
Enforcement of our borders and who we allow in the country and who we remove is done at the executive branch level. And the US has zero need to keep foreign agitators here.
Because THEY ARE GUESTS.
They are not all guests. A green card holder is a permanent resident.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 16:26
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
This is correct. If your exercise of Free Speech violates one of the conditions of your visa or permanent residency status, those can be revoked.
Would you happen to have a source for these "conditions" so I can read them myself? Or do those "conditions" just pop-up when it is convenient?
It's probably stamped in fine print on their Visa papers, right next to the big bold letters "Temporary".
Sorry but Mohsen Madawi is a PERMANENT LEGAL resident.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 16:21
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
Then the same can be said of Americans abroad. What arrogance y’all have.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 15:40
Subject: resident aliens and first amendment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)
Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.
Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.
No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.
Then don't ever say we are a great nation. If that's a natural consequence, we suck. Especially because you know very well it's not uniformly applied.
DP.
Ridiculous. No nation on earth allows foreign visitors unfettered and unlimited rights to protest and otherwise disrupt society.
Doing so (a) raises obvious national security concerns and (b) interferes with our (Americans’) ability to govern ourselves.
Should devout foreign students visiting the US be allowed to protest against gay rights and call for violence against LGBTQ people?
Should Russian tourists be allowed to protest against US support for Ukraine?
I don’t think so.
Democrat here. I think all these people should be able to protest those things. Everyone here gets 1st amendment rights.
Should what you say have an impact on naturalization?