Anonymous
04/18/2025 16:21
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Here's a detailed Gvt workers age breakdown:
Average age: 47.
National average: 41.7.
Over 55: 28.1% of federal workers.
Under 30: Fewer than 9% of federal employees.
Median age: 44.9.
This means the federal workforce is generally older than the average worker in other industries, with a significant portion nearing or having already reached retirement age.
Even if they do recall RIF people first next administration. In 2025, 28.1 percent of them are already over 55 and many a lot older than that. So in 2029 if the the admin changes takes a bit of while to get funding and hiring going I highly doubt Spring 2029 these people will even want to come back. And would they even be qualified. By 2020 will be an AI Data Analytics worlds and software is rapidly evolving. After four years of consolidating employees, massive layoffs, combining systems and processes and updating systems will be very hard for someone gone four years to come back and be effective any more than a 21 year old fresh out of school at 1/2 the cost.
Average age: 47.
National average: 41.7.
Over 55: 28.1% of federal workers.
Under 30: Fewer than 9% of federal employees.
Median age: 44.9.
This means the federal workforce is generally older than the average worker in other industries, with a significant portion nearing or having already reached retirement age.
Even if they do recall RIF people first next administration. In 2025, 28.1 percent of them are already over 55 and many a lot older than that. So in 2029 if the the admin changes takes a bit of while to get funding and hiring going I highly doubt Spring 2029 these people will even want to come back. And would they even be qualified. By 2020 will be an AI Data Analytics worlds and software is rapidly evolving. After four years of consolidating employees, massive layoffs, combining systems and processes and updating systems will be very hard for someone gone four years to come back and be effective any more than a 21 year old fresh out of school at 1/2 the cost.
Anonymous
04/18/2025 16:16
Subject: Re:CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Apparently per the declarations offered at today’s hearing, one of the DOGE children pushed CFPB employees to work 36 hrs straight to effectuate the RIF. I’m surprised no one told him to pound sand
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DOGE member kept consumer watchdog staff working 36 hours straight on layoff notices, court filing reveals
From CNN’s Tierney Sneed and Tami Luhby
A member of Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency kept Consumer Financial Protection Bureau staffers working for 36 hours straight to send out mass layoff notices at the agency, screaming at those he thought weren’t working fast enough, according to a declaration filed Friday in a legal case over the terminations.
“DOGE member Gavin Kliger managed the RIF. He kept the team up for 36 hours straight to ensure that the notices would go out yesterday (April 17). Gavin was screaming at people he did not believe were working fast enough to ensure they could go out on this compressed timeline, calling them incompetent,” said an unidentified member of the team working on the reduction in force, or RIF, notices. The person used a pseudonym in the filing for fear of retaliation.
The CFPB started sending RIF notices to about 1,500 of the 1,700 agency staffers yesterday.
US District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson is holding an emergency hearing today to examine the layoffs. The hearing is ongoing.
It's really a shame no one captured this on video. That seems to be what it takes to make anything register with the American public.
Anonymous
04/18/2025 16:15
Subject: Re:CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Apparently per the declarations offered at today’s hearing, one of the DOGE children pushed CFPB employees to work 36 hrs straight to effectuate the RIF. I’m surprised no one told him to pound sand
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4 hr 4 min ago
DOGE member kept consumer watchdog staff working 36 hours straight on layoff notices, court filing reveals
From CNN’s Tierney Sneed and Tami Luhby
A member of Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency kept Consumer Financial Protection Bureau staffers working for 36 hours straight to send out mass layoff notices at the agency, screaming at those he thought weren’t working fast enough, according to a declaration filed Friday in a legal case over the terminations.
“DOGE member Gavin Kliger managed the RIF. He kept the team up for 36 hours straight to ensure that the notices would go out yesterday (April 17). Gavin was screaming at people he did not believe were working fast enough to ensure they could go out on this compressed timeline, calling them incompetent,” said an unidentified member of the team working on the reduction in force, or RIF, notices. The person used a pseudonym in the filing for fear of retaliation.
The CFPB started sending RIF notices to about 1,500 of the 1,700 agency staffers yesterday.
US District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson is holding an emergency hearing today to examine the layoffs. The hearing is ongoing.
Yes and he has been ordered to show up at the next hearing.
The declarations are really worth reading if anyone has time. They’re pretty insane. There’s a part about how staff pointed out they’re still under an injunction and this could cause legal problems and the response was that they don’t care. So now those people who just didn’t care get to show up and explain that to the court.
Anonymous
04/18/2025 16:11
Subject: Re:CFPB RIFs today
Apparently per the declarations offered at today’s hearing, one of the DOGE children pushed CFPB employees to work 36 hrs straight to effectuate the RIF. I’m surprised no one told him to pound sand
Posts
4 hr 4 min ago
DOGE member kept consumer watchdog staff working 36 hours straight on layoff notices, court filing reveals
From CNN’s Tierney Sneed and Tami Luhby
A member of Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency kept Consumer Financial Protection Bureau staffers working for 36 hours straight to send out mass layoff notices at the agency, screaming at those he thought weren’t working fast enough, according to a declaration filed Friday in a legal case over the terminations.
“DOGE member Gavin Kliger managed the RIF. He kept the team up for 36 hours straight to ensure that the notices would go out yesterday (April 17). Gavin was screaming at people he did not believe were working fast enough to ensure they could go out on this compressed timeline, calling them incompetent,” said an unidentified member of the team working on the reduction in force, or RIF, notices. The person used a pseudonym in the filing for fear of retaliation.
The CFPB started sending RIF notices to about 1,500 of the 1,700 agency staffers yesterday.
US District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson is holding an emergency hearing today to examine the layoffs. The hearing is ongoing.
Posts
4 hr 4 min ago
DOGE member kept consumer watchdog staff working 36 hours straight on layoff notices, court filing reveals
From CNN’s Tierney Sneed and Tami Luhby
A member of Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency kept Consumer Financial Protection Bureau staffers working for 36 hours straight to send out mass layoff notices at the agency, screaming at those he thought weren’t working fast enough, according to a declaration filed Friday in a legal case over the terminations.
“DOGE member Gavin Kliger managed the RIF. He kept the team up for 36 hours straight to ensure that the notices would go out yesterday (April 17). Gavin was screaming at people he did not believe were working fast enough to ensure they could go out on this compressed timeline, calling them incompetent,” said an unidentified member of the team working on the reduction in force, or RIF, notices. The person used a pseudonym in the filing for fear of retaliation.
The CFPB started sending RIF notices to about 1,500 of the 1,700 agency staffers yesterday.
US District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson is holding an emergency hearing today to examine the layoffs. The hearing is ongoing.
Anonymous
04/18/2025 15:33
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Judge enjoining some or all of the RIF for right now!
What does this mean?
That CFPB employees will continue to get paid for doing no work. That's what "efficiency" means in this administration.
Well it’s efficient for people like musk who already or plan to operate digital payment platforms. It is good return for his investment— he gets no oversight at all into his activities, what’s a few million extra for govt salaries.
Good point. Except in 4 years, when there's probably a democratic president, all these fired CFPB'ers get rehired and go after musk's platforms! And also by then, nationwide injunctions will probably be prohibited so it will be much harder to attack new CFPB regs in the way that happened under Biden. I guess republicans haven't thought that far ahead.
That’s not how layoffs work. Old overpaid workers are not rehired.
I got laid off my dream job in 2016 in at 54 with nearly all of us older overpaid people. They then hire much younger people to replace who are cheaper. People 20-25 years younger.
Next President will be hiring class of 2029 to replace you
That may be a difference between fed and private sector. There's an explicit priority for rehiring RIF separated employees. It only lasts a couple of years but the existence of that benefit goes against your point. Plus I think there's much less age discrimination in gov employment in general.
That and it wasn’t the “old overpaid” (PP’s phrase— not mine) employees who were terminated. It was nearly everyone, and so included younger employees, mid level employees, senior employees. It covered everyone from newbies with mere months of experience to experts with decades of federal tenure. It included people who helped stand up the entire agency and have a wealth of important knowledge.
This is not a normal layoff situation. This is not your typical company losing money that has to offload employees. This is a hostile group trying to run an entire organization into the ground so that it cannot enforce any rules regarding financial regulation. It is just as bad as it sounds. It was sloppy, violated RIF rules and was done to make the place nonfunctional. The judge is rightly pissed off and so the RIF was stopped about 12 hours after it started!
Anonymous
04/18/2025 15:26
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know what would have avoided all this? If Warren had just created a normal independent agency with 5 commissioners, etc, funded by appropriations or user fees.
But noooo — she had to be radical and create a weird, unprecedented agency structure with a single guy, funded by the Fed, that just upset constitutional conservatives (“stickin’ to FedSoc” or whatever.
FOAFO.
Remember, your side is arguing the Commission structure is unconstitutional. Trump has fired just the Democratic Commissioners for the EEOC, NLRB, MSPB to ensure all commissions only have GOP commissioners.....which defeats the purpose of a commission structure. He would've done the same for a CFPB. You're just grasping at straws.
Let me know when they RIF 90 pct of any commission and/or announce their intention to do so. Or file lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of any commission.
genuinely don’t understand what you are trying to say here. Trump has already illegally fired all of the democratic members of several boards, including the ftc. RIFs are planned at fdic and ftc. There are about ten lawsuits just regarding these things. So wtf are you talking about?
Anonymous
04/18/2025 14:38
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know what would have avoided all this? If Warren had just created a normal independent agency with 5 commissioners, etc, funded by appropriations or user fees.
But noooo — she had to be radical and create a weird, unprecedented agency structure with a single guy, funded by the Fed, that just upset constitutional conservatives (“stickin’ to FedSoc” or whatever.
FOAFO.
Right. President Elon wouldn’t do it if the structure were different!
LOL!
Anonymous
04/18/2025 13:55
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:You know what would have avoided all this? If Warren had just created a normal independent agency with 5 commissioners, etc, funded by appropriations or user fees.
But noooo — she had to be radical and create a weird, unprecedented agency structure with a single guy, funded by the Fed, that just upset constitutional conservatives (“stickin’ to FedSoc” or whatever.
FOAFO.
Right. President Elon wouldn’t do it if the structure were different!
Anonymous
04/18/2025 13:47
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Judge enjoining some or all of the RIF for right now!
What does this mean?
That CFPB employees will continue to get paid for doing no work. That's what "efficiency" means in this administration.
Well it’s efficient for people like musk who already or plan to operate digital payment platforms. It is good return for his investment— he gets no oversight at all into his activities, what’s a few million extra for govt salaries.
Good point. Except in 4 years, when there's probably a democratic president, all these fired CFPB'ers get rehired and go after musk's platforms! And also by then, nationwide injunctions will probably be prohibited so it will be much harder to attack new CFPB regs in the way that happened under Biden. I guess republicans haven't thought that far ahead.
That’s not how layoffs work. Old overpaid workers are not rehired.
I got laid off my dream job in 2016 in at 54 with nearly all of us older overpaid people. They then hire much younger people to replace who are cheaper. People 20-25 years younger.
Next President will be hiring class of 2029 to replace you
That may be a difference between fed and private sector. There's an explicit priority for rehiring RIF separated employees. It only lasts a couple of years but the existence of that benefit goes against your point. Plus I think there's much less age discrimination in gov employment in general.
Anonymous
04/18/2025 13:38
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Judge enjoining some or all of the RIF for right now!
What does this mean?
That CFPB employees will continue to get paid for doing no work. That's what "efficiency" means in this administration.
Well it’s efficient for people like musk who already or plan to operate digital payment platforms. It is good return for his investment— he gets no oversight at all into his activities, what’s a few million extra for govt salaries.
Good point. Except in 4 years, when there's probably a democratic president, all these fired CFPB'ers get rehired and go after musk's platforms! And also by then, nationwide injunctions will probably be prohibited so it will be much harder to attack new CFPB regs in the way that happened under Biden. I guess republicans haven't thought that far ahead.
That’s not how layoffs work. Old overpaid workers are not rehired.
I got laid off my dream job in 2016 in at 54 with nearly all of us older overpaid people. They then hire much younger people to replace who are cheaper. People 20-25 years younger.
Next President will be hiring class of 2029 to replace you
OK, who cares exactly whom the next democratic president hires. The point is that the cfpb will be back to full capacity in a democratic administration, so everything happening now is temporary and shortsighted. The votes are not there to amend Dodd Frank to eliminate the cfpb.
Which is why I’m surprised that the Trump administration isn’t going after CFPB’s funding structure. Unless they cut off the funding structure, there’s a good chance that CFPB will return to normal staffing levels when Democrats take power.
Anonymous
04/18/2025 13:18
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Judge enjoining some or all of the RIF for right now!
What does this mean?
That CFPB employees will continue to get paid for doing no work. That's what "efficiency" means in this administration.
Well it’s efficient for people like musk who already or plan to operate digital payment platforms. It is good return for his investment— he gets no oversight at all into his activities, what’s a few million extra for govt salaries.
Good point. Except in 4 years, when there's probably a democratic president, all these fired CFPB'ers get rehired and go after musk's platforms! And also by then, nationwide injunctions will probably be prohibited so it will be much harder to attack new CFPB regs in the way that happened under Biden. I guess republicans haven't thought that far ahead.
That’s not how layoffs work. Old overpaid workers are not rehired.
I got laid off my dream job in 2016 in at 54 with nearly all of us older overpaid people. They then hire much younger people to replace who are cheaper. People 20-25 years younger.
Next President will be hiring class of 2029 to replace you
OK, who cares exactly whom the next democratic president hires. The point is that the cfpb will be back to full capacity in a democratic administration, so everything happening now is temporary and shortsighted. The votes are not there to amend Dodd Frank to eliminate the cfpb.
Anonymous
04/18/2025 13:09
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Judge enjoining some or all of the RIF for right now!
What does this mean?
That CFPB employees will continue to get paid for doing no work. That's what "efficiency" means in this administration.
Well it’s efficient for people like musk who already or plan to operate digital payment platforms. It is good return for his investment— he gets no oversight at all into his activities, what’s a few million extra for govt salaries.
Good point. Except in 4 years, when there's probably a democratic president, all these fired CFPB'ers get rehired and go after musk's platforms! And also by then, nationwide injunctions will probably be prohibited so it will be much harder to attack new CFPB regs in the way that happened under Biden. I guess republicans haven't thought that far ahead.
That’s not how layoffs work. Old overpaid workers are not rehired.
I got laid off my dream job in 2016 in at 54 with nearly all of us older overpaid people. They then hire much younger people to replace who are cheaper. People 20-25 years younger.
Next President will be hiring class of 2029 to replace you
Anonymous
04/18/2025 13:02
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know what would have avoided all this? If Warren had just created a normal independent agency with 5 commissioners, etc, funded by appropriations or user fees.
But noooo — she had to be radical and create a weird, unprecedented agency structure with a single guy, funded by the Fed, that just upset constitutional conservatives (“stickin’ to FedSoc” or whatever.
FOAFO.
Remember, your side is arguing the Commission structure is unconstitutional. Trump has fired just the Democratic Commissioners for the EEOC, NLRB, MSPB to ensure all commissions only have GOP commissioners.....which defeats the purpose of a commission structure. He would've done the same for a CFPB. You're just grasping at straws.
Let me know when they RIF 90 pct of any commission and/or announce their intention to do so. Or file lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of any commission.
Anonymous
04/18/2025 13:01
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Judge enjoining some or all of the RIF for right now!
What does this mean?
That CFPB employees will continue to get paid for doing no work. That's what "efficiency" means in this administration.
Well it’s efficient for people like musk who already or plan to operate digital payment platforms. It is good return for his investment— he gets no oversight at all into his activities, what’s a few million extra for govt salaries.
Good point. Except in 4 years, when there's probably a democratic president, all these fired CFPB'ers get rehired and go after musk's platforms! And also by then, nationwide injunctions will probably be prohibited so it will be much harder to attack new CFPB regs in the way that happened under Biden. I guess republicans haven't thought that far ahead.
Anonymous
04/18/2025 12:44
Subject: CFPB RIFs today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know what would have avoided all this? If Warren had just created a normal independent agency with 5 commissioners, etc, funded by appropriations or user fees.
But noooo — she had to be radical and create a weird, unprecedented agency structure with a single guy, funded by the Fed, that just upset constitutional conservatives (“stickin’ to FedSoc” or whatever.
FOAFO.
Remember, your side is arguing the Commission structure is unconstitutional. Trump has fired just the Democratic Commissioners for the EEOC, NLRB, MSPB to ensure all commissions only have GOP commissioners.....which defeats the purpose of a commission structure. He would've done the same for a CFPB. You're just grasping at straws.
Hey it’s hard for them to keep track! They can’t be honest that they just want no or smaller government—they don’t have the legal basis, or votes in Congress, or public support, so they have to pretend that this is just “rightsizing” or that the agency is so terrible that it deserves it or something. They’ve even failed twice before scotus to destroy CFPB! It’s honestly kind of funny in a dark way.