Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13" are supposedly armed to teeth and took over our cities. They murder civilians for sport.

Trump is sending thousands of them an El Salvador death camp.

Why are none of these "terrorists" and "hardened criminals" shooting back at ICE?

Did I misunderstand the theat we faced?

“Tren de Agua” maybe has a 100 members in the US. ”MS-13” has about 10,000 members in the US. MS-13 was started in the 1980 to protect El Salvador immigrants from other gangs. The vast majority of its members are now US citizens because they were born here. 10,000 is about 1% of all the gangs in the US. Though the Federal agencies do not have good gang data. The Republicans have defunded most of the strategies and operations to monitor these kinds of things. Interesting thing with MA-13 is when the US deported gang members in 1990’s MS-13 spread and took over El Salvador.

None of the 238 people kidnapped and sent to El Salvador have been charged or appeared in US courts. There is no proof that any of these people did anything, are gang members or committed any crime. Nothing has been presented in US courts. So we do not know if they are even illegals.

Thank you for coming with facts. I asked Grok about this and this was the conclusion:

"No definitive, up-to-date count exists for either gang. Tren de Aragua’s presence appears smaller and less organized than MS-13’s, likely numbering in the low hundreds at most, while MS-13 might still hover around thousands but lacks a recent benchmark. Both are active but overstated as existential threats. Data from DHS, ICE, or FBI remains the closest to credible, but even these sources hedge with estimates or focus on arrests rather than totals. Always dig past headlines—gang stats are notoriously slippery."

Bottom line: the Trump administration is going to continue deporting Hispanics that it claims are members of either of these gangs WITH NO EVIDENCE or due process. As soon as anyone protests, they will respond, "Why do you want to keep dangerous criminals in this country?" and they will add colorful details like "who raped a child or an old woman" etc. to inflame MAGA and retain their support. It's a very slipper slope for all of our civil rights. And, to top it all, there is absolutely no indication so far that they have removed "the worst of the worst" in any large numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a LA neighborhood (in the valley) claimed by ms13. Jeff can check my location if you think I’m a sock puppet. MS13 regularly tags my apartment building and there are regular shootings and violence a few streets away. Please don’t tell me to move, I paid $350 for my condo and can't buy anything for that price in LA, not in a gang area. I literally don’t care st all about anyone being deported who is part of ms13, suspected part of ms13, or in this country illegally and falsely being accused of ms13. I’d rather they get rid of people and make a few mistakes, than have to live like this. MS13 is very scary.

You’d rather they make a few mistakes than “have to live like this”?

How brave of you to offer up the lives of innocents to reduce that annoying graffiti eyesore and possibly increase your property value!

What a sick f^ck. You and your Van Nuys sob story are the twin flame of the slob loser in Israel who cannot afford to live in Tel Aviv, but resorts to settling in the West Bank where he can terrorize Palestinians in communities their ancestors have lived in for several millenia. Skyscraper yourself already.

Are you comparing ms13 to Palestinians? Wow okay. Pretty sure I’m not the going going around terrorizing innocent people from ms13 - Its not safe anymore to walk in my area so I’d have to do it by car.

Anyway, I was just offering a different perspective from someone who actually lives in a sanctuary city where people are safe from deportation, and in an area claimed by ms13.

Ps. There aren’t any sky scrapers in Van Nuys, but thank you for the suggestion!

Anonymous wrote:I live in a LA neighborhood (in the valley) claimed by ms13. Jeff can check my location if you think I’m a sock puppet. MS13 regularly tags my apartment building and there are regular shootings and violence a few streets away. Please don’t tell me to move, I paid $350 for my condo and can't buy anything for that price in LA, not in a gang area. I literally don’t care st all about anyone being deported who is part of ms13, suspected part of ms13, or in this country illegally and falsely being accused of ms13. I’d rather they get rid of people and make a few mistakes, than have to live like this. MS13 is very scary.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's the same as with school shooters and "terrorists".

Law enforcement doesn't go after dangerous people who can fight back. They go after patsies, chuds, and innocent people.

Are you saying we aren’t going after these dangerous gangs

Or we are going after the gangs because law enforcement thinks they are innocent?

Law enforcement is pack of wishes who are afraid of criminals, so they find non-criminal to fill quota.

Anonymous wrote:I think ICE agents are mostly cowards who are going for men and women with families as easy pickings.

If they were picking up actual gang members there would be actual resistance with guns and we would be hearing about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do people make the leap from “ms-13 is scary” to green lighting sending people to a prison where they’ll be tortured based solely on their country of origin? Deporting people here unlawfully is understandable. Sending them to be tortured in a prison is not understandable.

The latest guy from Dale City that Blondi is claiming is a top MS 13 leader is 24 and wandering in someone’s garage. If MS 13 is such a notorious criminal enterprise, why are poor kids running it? Other leaders that have been arrested are 50+ years old.

It’s called deterrence, and it’s working.

Sending people to the prison is not a morally or legally acceptable way to handle non citizens who are in the US.

Yes it is. Illegal invaders do not have the same rights as citizens. With jail on the table instead of a warm welcome from the Biden administration, fewer will come. Our government officials get paid to help citizens, not illegals. Dems don’t agree, which is why they are out of power

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do people make the leap from “ms-13 is scary” to green lighting sending people to a prison where they’ll be tortured based solely on their country of origin? Deporting people here unlawfully is understandable. Sending them to be tortured in a prison is not understandable.

The latest guy from Dale City that Blondi is claiming is a top MS 13 leader is 24 and wandering in someone’s garage. If MS 13 is such a notorious criminal enterprise, why are poor kids running it? Other leaders that have been arrested are 50+ years old.

It’s called deterrence, and it’s working.

Sending people to the prison is not a morally or legally acceptable way to handle non citizens who are in the US.

Yes it is. Illegal invaders do not have the same rights as citizens. With jail on the table instead of a warm welcome from the Biden administration, fewer will come. Our government officials get paid to help citizens, not illegals. Dems don’t agree, which is why they are out of power

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a LA neighborhood (in the valley) claimed by ms13. Jeff can check my location if you think I’m a sock puppet. MS13 regularly tags my apartment building and there are regular shootings and violence a few streets away. Please don’t tell me to move, I paid $350 for my condo and can't buy anything for that price in LA, not in a gang area. I literally don’t care st all about anyone being deported who is part of ms13, suspected part of ms13, or in this country illegally and falsely being accused of ms13. I’d rather they get rid of people and make a few mistakes, than have to live like this. MS13 is very scary.

You’d rather they make a few mistakes than “have to live like this”?

How brave of you to offer up the lives of innocents to reduce that annoying graffiti eyesore and possibly increase your property value!

What a sick f^ck. You and your Van Nuys sob story are the twin flame of the slob loser in Israel who cannot afford to live in Tel Aviv, but resorts to settling in the West Bank where he can terrorize Palestinians in communities their ancestors have lived in for several millenia. Skyscraper yourself already.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp again - if you had these people in your nice Bethesda neighborhood, you’d feel the same. It’s easy to be all high and mighty when it really doesn’t affect you. Cry me a river for illegals from El Salvador, and no I’m not a trumper.

My neighborhood is full of people from El Salvador and they are some of the most incredible people that I have ever known. What on earth are you talking about? You obviously have zero personal experience living in such a neighborhood.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a LA neighborhood (in the valley) claimed by ms13. Jeff can check my location if you think I’m a sock puppet. MS13 regularly tags my apartment building and there are regular shootings and violence a few streets away. Please don’t tell me to move, I paid $350 for my condo and can't buy anything for that price in LA, not in a gang area. I literally don’t care st all about anyone being deported who is part of ms13, suspected part of ms13, or in this country illegally and falsely being accused of ms13. I’d rather they get rid of people and make a few mistakes, than have to live like this. MS13 is very scary.

$350 for a condo in LA? Did you buy it in the 1800s?

Anonymous wrote:I think ICE agents are mostly cowards who are going for men and women with families as easy pickings.

If they were picking up actual gang members there would be actual resistance with guns and we would be hearing about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's the same as with school shooters and "terrorists".

Law enforcement doesn't go after dangerous people who can fight back. They go after patsies, chuds, and innocent people.

Are you saying we aren’t going after these dangerous gangs

Or we are going after the gangs because law enforcement thinks they are innocent?