Anonymous wrote:After reading some of these responses, I think there needs to be a more uniform approach that is consistent across divisions and offices. Some offices should not get to telework more just because they have a cool boss while others never get telework because of a strict boss. It should be the same policy for all SEC staff.

Anonymous wrote:After reading some of these responses, I think there needs to be a more uniform approach that is consistent across divisions and offices. Some offices should not get to telework more just because they have a cool boss while others never get telework because of a strict boss. It should be the same policy for all SEC staff.

Anonymous wrote:After reading some of these responses, I think there needs to be a more uniform approach that is consistent across divisions and offices. Some offices should not get to telework more just because they have a cool boss while others never get telework because of a strict boss. It should be the same policy for all SEC staff.

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Anonymous wrote:Without opening the whole debate of lunch time or not, how much do we think they're simply going to be checking badge swipes for 8.5 hours per day versus matching up badge swipes to whatever your stated entrance and exit time is supposed to be per your schedule?

I've never gotten to work on time ever in my life unless it's something important like court or registrant meeting. So it's not about to happen in middle age. But I'm not a cheater either - if I'm 20 min late, I stay 20 minutes later. This was never ever a problem for anyone in before times. I wonder if it's a problem now.

Unless they've developed an entire AI system - and maybe they have - it's not going to be as easy as you'd think to use badge swipe data. While the standard day is 8.5, there's plenty of people in my group that are planning to do more than 8.5 on certain days so that they can make Thursday and Friday or whatever days they wish shorter and can be out in 6-7 hours. So when they pull data for Thursday and see people left in 6.75, are they then pulling up Work Smart for each person to verify that indeed that was supposed to be a 6.75 hour day for them? How much man power do they have in HR to do this? Again absent AI which maybe is linking badging with Work Smart for all we know. But assuming their systems aren't so sophisticated yet I feel like badging is used to detect really obvious issues - people not coming in at all. People coming in for 2 hours per day. People badging in and then leaving for hours and hours, only to badge back in in the afternoon before quitting time; sounds crazed but I know a guy who was doing that early on in RTO - he'd badge in and then go play tennis for 2-3 hours. They started doing that last August/Sept and if you got on HR's radar you were warned and they then watched you closely. Like you got flagged as not being trustworthy. From what I heard it was people whose time entries chronically showed they weren't coming in as required or were coming in, swiping a card and leaving in an hour.

My bet is they do random audits and check for 40ish hours in the building and a certain variation away from that they compare to Quick time to see if someone was on leave. I agree they will be looking for the egregious cases like people that still TW a few times a week.

Anonymous wrote:If FDA gets telework, the SEC should also have that same right - 2x a week sounds reasonable. Union should bring comparable to management.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a really hard time getting ad hoc telework approved for a couple meetings this coming week. I’ve changed my schedule to reflect the full time RTO but it isn’t effective in on paper until the next pay period, and I have some meetings that fall outside my new schedule this coming week. All in all it took two calls and four emails (including a written justification) and the involvement of four employees to get this request approved by both my supervisor and second line supervisor. Took a couple hours of work time. Hopefully this was just a quirk due to RTO happening in the middle of a pay period, and supervisors being skittish in approving telework requests the first week staff is back.

This is absurd. I can’t imagine my supervisor pulling this crap.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s accurate to call it a “right” (or else they wouldn’t have been able to get rid of it. Probably a privilege. I agree it sucks thag management did this.

Management is too busy sucking up to Doge. I mean we need to wear our badges at all times. We're still doing the 5 bullet points? Even FDA which has had massive RIFs is bringing back 2 day/wk telework and has told everyone that they're done with the bullets. Us nope - keep sucking up to OPM/DOGE/WH like the spineless leaders you are.

Paul has been confirmed. Where the hell is he? I realize a town hall doesn't come together the next day but not even an email to staff?

You were always supposed to wear your badge, even if many people didn’t. And who the f cares about spending two minutes (max) on the five things email.

Maybe after two huge DIFs we can get back to TW twice a week, or even better, maybe we stop complaining about stupid stuff, and we avoid the RIFs altogether. (And FDA’s telework is really limited in terms of who can take part, so you probably don’t want to use that as a model.)

I mean you sound like one of those SEC people who feels soooo blessed to be here at all. I don't feel that way so YMMV. It's not that wearing a badge is a big deal or 5 seconds on a bullet email is a big deal, it's that leadership is being spineless. If they can't say no to 5 bullets, you legit think they'll say no when DOGE says hmm you know what you need a 15% RIF, the retirements weren't enough. News flash - they won't. So this spinelessness isn't protecting us from anything in the future.

I wouldn’t say I feel soooo blessed, but I do recognize we have a pretty good deal.

I disagree on your other point. Part of the reason to not fight not stupid stuff (badge, five things) and even some not stupid stuff (RTO) is to try to avoid pissing off dodge and having them ask for a 15% RIF. Is that definitely going to work? No, but it’s worth a shot.

Also, I don’t agree that them not fighting on the smaller stuff means they won’t fight on the bigger stuff. Atkins has an agenda and he knows he can’t accomplish with a wholly depleted and demoralized staff, so yes I do think it is possible leadership will fight on the bigger stuff, if steps to not need the fight don’t work.

Anonymous wrote:I had a really hard time getting ad hoc telework approved for a couple meetings this coming week. I’ve changed my schedule to reflect the full time RTO but it isn’t effective in on paper until the next pay period, and I have some meetings that fall outside my new schedule this coming week. All in all it took two calls and four emails (including a written justification) and the involvement of four employees to get this request approved by both my supervisor and second line supervisor. Took a couple hours of work time. Hopefully this was just a quirk due to RTO happening in the middle of a pay period, and supervisors being skittish in approving telework requests the first week staff is back.

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Anonymous wrote:Without opening the whole debate of lunch time or not, how much do we think they're simply going to be checking badge swipes for 8.5 hours per day versus matching up badge swipes to whatever your stated entrance and exit time is supposed to be per your schedule?

I've never gotten to work on time ever in my life unless it's something important like court or registrant meeting. So it's not about to happen in middle age. But I'm not a cheater either - if I'm 20 min late, I stay 20 minutes later. This was never ever a problem for anyone in before times. I wonder if it's a problem now.

You can still do this. Most supervisors won’t make you use and earn credit hours in the same day for something like this. But it is technically required and some (probably newer) supervisors might require that.

Anonymous wrote:If FDA gets telework, the SEC should also have that same right - 2x a week sounds reasonable. Union should bring comparable to management.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s accurate to call it a “right” (or else they wouldn’t have been able to get rid of it. Probably a privilege. I agree it sucks thag management did this.

Management is too busy sucking up to Doge. I mean we need to wear our badges at all times. We're still doing the 5 bullet points? Even FDA which has had massive RIFs is bringing back 2 day/wk telework and has told everyone that they're done with the bullets. Us nope - keep sucking up to OPM/DOGE/WH like the spineless leaders you are.

Paul has been confirmed. Where the hell is he? I realize a town hall doesn't come together the next day but not even an email to staff?

You were always supposed to wear your badge, even if many people didn’t. And who the f cares about spending two minutes (max) on the five things email.

Maybe after two huge DIFs we can get back to TW twice a week, or even better, maybe we stop complaining about stupid stuff, and we avoid the RIFs altogether. (And FDA’s telework is really limited in terms of who can take part, so you probably don’t want to use that as a model.)

I mean you sound like one of those SEC people who feels soooo blessed to be here at all. I don't feel that way so YMMV. It's not that wearing a badge is a big deal or 5 seconds on a bullet email is a big deal, it's that leadership is being spineless. If they can't say no to 5 bullets, you legit think they'll say no when DOGE says hmm you know what you need a 15% RIF, the retirements weren't enough. News flash - they won't. So this spinelessness isn't protecting us from anything in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:Without opening the whole debate of lunch time or not, how much do we think they're simply going to be checking badge swipes for 8.5 hours per day versus matching up badge swipes to whatever your stated entrance and exit time is supposed to be per your schedule?

I've never gotten to work on time ever in my life unless it's something important like court or registrant meeting. So it's not about to happen in middle age. But I'm not a cheater either - if I'm 20 min late, I stay 20 minutes later. This was never ever a problem for anyone in before times. I wonder if it's a problem now.

Unless they've developed an entire AI system - and maybe they have - it's not going to be as easy as you'd think to use badge swipe data. While the standard day is 8.5, there's plenty of people in my group that are planning to do more than 8.5 on certain days so that they can make Thursday and Friday or whatever days they wish shorter and can be out in 6-7 hours. So when they pull data for Thursday and see people left in 6.75, are they then pulling up Work Smart for each person to verify that indeed that was supposed to be a 6.75 hour day for them? How much man power do they have in HR to do this? Again absent AI which maybe is linking badging with Work Smart for all we know. But assuming their systems aren't so sophisticated yet I feel like badging is used to detect really obvious issues - people not coming in at all. People coming in for 2 hours per day. People badging in and then leaving for hours and hours, only to badge back in in the afternoon before quitting time; sounds crazed but I know a guy who was doing that early on in RTO - he'd badge in and then go play tennis for 2-3 hours. They started doing that last August/Sept and if you got on HR's radar you were warned and they then watched you closely. Like you got flagged as not being trustworthy. From what I heard it was people whose time entries chronically showed they weren't coming in as required or were coming in, swiping a card and leaving in an hour.