Anonymous
03/27/2025 22:05
Subject: Stop reacting, start thinking
+1
Anonymous
03/27/2025 22:05
Subject: Stop reacting, start thinking
Anonymous wrote:PP here. Dems hoping to win the Nov 24 election is not a typo, it’s a criticism. It looks to me like most Dems on here are more focused on wanting voters to regret choosing Trump over Kamala than on doing anything to help Democrats win future elections against the next Republican candidates not named Trump. This is a big mistake. We can’t ever get Nov 2024 back. Not can we get Nov 2016 back.
yep
Anonymous
03/27/2025 21:52
Subject: Stop reacting, start thinking
This is OP. I M O, It’s good to focus on the commonalities —and not the differences when building a coalition.
To answer the above recommendations
to join existing group, I am not part of any conversation that is oriented in opposition. It limits your thoughts and range of solutions.
Finally, it’s always about money. Capitalism drives durable change in the US. Those citizens who don’t have money or easy upward mobility? Those People… they want independence and freedom (of family, religion and thought). That is valuable to them. One could say it’s a form of wealth. It’s certainly culture. Just holding the current mainstream social boundaries and rules is enough for now, in my view.
Finally, social changes that “stick” actually broaden the consumer base, make more stuff, and eventually makes everyone richer and happier. Change should be supported by the market. I don’t think government alone can support major social shifts.
In anticipation of your historical arguments on how pro capital theory of change is wrong — that historical line of thinking is not working, in my opinion. The county is huge now. The citizenry is completely different than it was in the 70s-80s and before. I also belief that the changes ahead will be even greater, and this is a possible resetting of values. It’s a fight for the heart of America.
It’s going to take uncomfortable compromises.
-writing from a phone.
To answer the above recommendations
to join existing group, I am not part of any conversation that is oriented in opposition. It limits your thoughts and range of solutions.
Finally, it’s always about money. Capitalism drives durable change in the US. Those citizens who don’t have money or easy upward mobility? Those People… they want independence and freedom (of family, religion and thought). That is valuable to them. One could say it’s a form of wealth. It’s certainly culture. Just holding the current mainstream social boundaries and rules is enough for now, in my view.
Finally, social changes that “stick” actually broaden the consumer base, make more stuff, and eventually makes everyone richer and happier. Change should be supported by the market. I don’t think government alone can support major social shifts.
In anticipation of your historical arguments on how pro capital theory of change is wrong — that historical line of thinking is not working, in my opinion. The county is huge now. The citizenry is completely different than it was in the 70s-80s and before. I also belief that the changes ahead will be even greater, and this is a possible resetting of values. It’s a fight for the heart of America.
It’s going to take uncomfortable compromises.
-writing from a phone.
Anonymous
03/27/2025 21:25
Subject: Stop reacting, start thinking
Anonymous wrote:I'm not wishing pain for anyone. I've lived in MAGA communities with a lot of people who lived in or adjacent to poverty, and this administration breaks my heart.
People everywhere are being crushed by health care costs, by the high cost of housing, by a government that favors the rich again and again, and that does nothing for ordinary people. I am sickened by how MAGA is using people -- tossing crumbs that make them *feel* seen, and all the while funneling ever more money upstream to billionaires.
As one example, I know a young mother with a high deductible health plan who is still paying off her daughter's birth from 6 years ago, and will be for another decade...even as she racks up new debt for more recent hospital visits and ambulance rides. She just got hit with a $900 bill for routine lab work when she had an ordinary infection. This mother works a full-time job as an office assistant, cares for her aging mother, and works an unofficial side job in her off-hours, and has to squeeze in fighting insurance companies whenever she can. If she were better off as a result of this administration, I would cheer.
But she won't be. Because this administration doesn't care about her, just as doesn't care about her ADHD son who needs an IEP, or her brother who became addicted to opioids after an accident, or about the special needs kid in her family who will never, ever not need care.
If this administration took care of these individuals, I would say so. I would take seriously his assault on the rule of law, I would loathe his hateful rhetoric and his attempts to exert his will with plausible deniability by generating stochastic terrorism. But I would also say, "at least he's helping people."
But instead he's handing over the keys to the kingdom to the richest man on the planet. It is truly disgusting.
This might be the best thing I’ve ever read on this board. Thank you.
Anonymous
03/27/2025 21:10
Subject: Stop reacting, start thinking
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This Signal gate is a red herring.
More orchestrated chaos.
No, it just means there are probably a dozen other f-ups that we don't know about.
The thing may save us is that most of the people working for Trump are incompetent, stupid, or both.
Of course that may doom us too, if there's a terrorist attack, economic crisis, or another pandemic. But I think things getting really bad might be required to cure people of Trump and the GOP.
Oh Pete. You are so out of your depth here. Give it up. Resign. You failed.
I can't believe this moron is in charge of our military. All service members should be terrified.