Anonymous
03/20/2025 08:40
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/03/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-achieves-efficiency-through-state-and-local-preparedness/
I am a FEMA contractor and have 20 years of watching FEMA waste significant money. That being said, I don’t read the EO as the states need to fund the disaster aid. I read it as they are responsible for determining how it is used. (This will be a mess and full of corruption but still different than making the states financially responsible) The vast majority of what is in the EO is duplicative of other initiatives already in place.
I am a FEMA contractor and have 20 years of watching FEMA waste significant money. That being said, I don’t read the EO as the states need to fund the disaster aid. I read it as they are responsible for determining how it is used. (This will be a mess and full of corruption but still different than making the states financially responsible) The vast majority of what is in the EO is duplicative of other initiatives already in place.
Anonymous
03/20/2025 07:47
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Anonymous wrote:West Virginia has had severe floods and apparently there is little to no help.
States like West Virginia will suffer without FEMA. Bigger, richer states like Texas and Florida will be alright.
Anonymous
03/20/2025 00:09
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
West Virginia has had severe floods and apparently there is little to no help.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 23:45
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Anonymous wrote:Fortunately, Walt Disney was smart enough to build Disney World well inland.
And they’ve sent built it several other places, started hotels, cruises, and other travel.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 21:47
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Guess people should get ready for their state and local taxes to raise.
Further, infrastructure investment is something Democrats have been calling for which is why they created whole funding and programs for it last administration. Becuase you know helping states and the country make sustainable infrastructure investments is good for everyone.
Not sure why we need another review though when ACoR, FEMA, DOT and state agencies can already answer most questions.
States like Florida should not have no income tax and then rely on the Feds to bail them out each and every year for hurricanes. Raise their taxes.
California too.
If you cut off Florida and say they’re not part of the country and can’t receive federal funding for natural disasters then they will just recoup that cost by charging tolls/taxes when anyone from the north drives or flies into the state for vacation.
They already collect taxes from vacationers. They need to collect income tax from the people that live there.
Why would they do that when they can get tourists to pay for it?
Because their economy is heavily dependent on tourism. And you are assuming that if x number of tourists visit at the current tax rate, the same number will visit and spend the same amount of tourist dollars at 150% or 200% of the current tax rate. Adam Smith says you are wrong. As FL adds taxes to tourists, fewer tourists can afford to visit— or will want to spend the extra money to visit. There is a tipping point where revenue actually goes down because so many fewer tourists come Or when they come, they don’t stay as long or find ways to spend less and stay in budget. And once a happens, many Fl businesses dependent on tourist dollars will lose business. The whole world is t UMC DCUM. If you save all year for your FL vacation and have a $2500 budget, that doesn’t magically become $3000 because FL raises taxes on tourists. Either the tourists go somewhere else they can afford. Or they spend $500 less at businesses in FL. Which is recessionary.
FL had economists. I have to think they have already run the numbers and the current tax rate probably comes close to maxing out.
There are other states to visit with sunshine at half the cost. And no one will want to visit if the infrastructure is a mess because FL cheaps out on cleaning up and rebuilding after hurricanes.
Florida wouldn't need to increase sales/tourist taxes so dramatically. After the TrumpCession is over, Florida should be able to stash away $1-2 billion per year into a hurricane fund without even raising any taxes.
The challenge will be saving up an initial $10-20 billion before another major hurricane hits a heavily-populated part of the state.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 21:41
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Florida is already further along in adjusting to climate change--at least the financial side of it--than most states.
Floridians who live in areas with a greater hurricane risk have had their homeowner's insurance policies double or triple over the last five years. Floridians further inland, and away from flood zones, have gotten more moderate increases. This should encourage some people to move to less risky parts of the state.
Floridians who live in areas with a greater hurricane risk have had their homeowner's insurance policies double or triple over the last five years. Floridians further inland, and away from flood zones, have gotten more moderate increases. This should encourage some people to move to less risky parts of the state.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 21:33
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Fortunately, Walt Disney was smart enough to build Disney World well inland.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 21:32
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Guess people should get ready for their state and local taxes to raise.
Further, infrastructure investment is something Democrats have been calling for which is why they created whole funding and programs for it last administration. Becuase you know helping states and the country make sustainable infrastructure investments is good for everyone.
Not sure why we need another review though when ACoR, FEMA, DOT and state agencies can already answer most questions.
States like Florida should not have no income tax and then rely on the Feds to bail them out each and every year for hurricanes. Raise their taxes.
California too.
If you cut off Florida and say they’re not part of the country and can’t receive federal funding for natural disasters then they will just recoup that cost by charging tolls/taxes when anyone from the north drives or flies into the state for vacation.
They already collect taxes from vacationers. They need to collect income tax from the people that live there.
Why would they do that when they can get tourists to pay for it?
Because their economy is heavily dependent on tourism. And you are assuming that if x number of tourists visit at the current tax rate, the same number will visit and spend the same amount of tourist dollars at 150% or 200% of the current tax rate. Adam Smith says you are wrong. As FL adds taxes to tourists, fewer tourists can afford to visit— or will want to spend the extra money to visit. There is a tipping point where revenue actually goes down because so many fewer tourists come Or when they come, they don’t stay as long or find ways to spend less and stay in budget. And once a happens, many Fl businesses dependent on tourist dollars will lose business. The whole world is t UMC DCUM. If you save all year for your FL vacation and have a $2500 budget, that doesn’t magically become $3000 because FL raises taxes on tourists. Either the tourists go somewhere else they can afford. Or they spend $500 less at businesses in FL. Which is recessionary.
FL had economists. I have to think they have already run the numbers and the current tax rate probably comes close to maxing out.
There are other states to visit with sunshine at half the cost. And no one will want to visit if the infrastructure is a mess because FL cheaps out on cleaning up and rebuilding after hurricanes.
The “best” part about relying on tourists to pay your bills is that when the inevitable recessions hit and people stop spending as much on tourism, or your beaches are wiped out from the latest category 5, you’re left without needed funds right when you need them the most and your people are least able to pony up.
Florida is already taking a hit in tourism thanks to Donald Trump pissing off the Whole Entire Rest of the World.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 21:28
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Anonymous wrote:The states couldn’t do what fema does if their lives depended on it. They don’t have the resources, the contacts or the know-how. They can fumble through it but their citizens will suffer more than they would have otherwise. It’s far more complicated than “go do it yourself and we will partially reimburse you”, which seems to be the plan.
While some of us know this, a majority of the people voted for this to happen.
Wonder how all those southern states are doing post tornado outbreak this weekend.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 20:33
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Guess people should get ready for their state and local taxes to raise.
Further, infrastructure investment is something Democrats have been calling for which is why they created whole funding and programs for it last administration. Becuase you know helping states and the country make sustainable infrastructure investments is good for everyone.
Not sure why we need another review though when ACoR, FEMA, DOT and state agencies can already answer most questions.
States like Florida should not have no income tax and then rely on the Feds to bail them out each and every year for hurricanes. Raise their taxes.
California too.
If you cut off Florida and say they’re not part of the country and can’t receive federal funding for natural disasters then they will just recoup that cost by charging tolls/taxes when anyone from the north drives or flies into the state for vacation.
They already collect taxes from vacationers. They need to collect income tax from the people that live there.
Why would they do that when they can get tourists to pay for it?
Because their economy is heavily dependent on tourism. And you are assuming that if x number of tourists visit at the current tax rate, the same number will visit and spend the same amount of tourist dollars at 150% or 200% of the current tax rate. Adam Smith says you are wrong. As FL adds taxes to tourists, fewer tourists can afford to visit— or will want to spend the extra money to visit. There is a tipping point where revenue actually goes down because so many fewer tourists come Or when they come, they don’t stay as long or find ways to spend less and stay in budget. And once a happens, many Fl businesses dependent on tourist dollars will lose business. The whole world is t UMC DCUM. If you save all year for your FL vacation and have a $2500 budget, that doesn’t magically become $3000 because FL raises taxes on tourists. Either the tourists go somewhere else they can afford. Or they spend $500 less at businesses in FL. Which is recessionary.
FL had economists. I have to think they have already run the numbers and the current tax rate probably comes close to maxing out.
There are other states to visit with sunshine at half the cost. And no one will want to visit if the infrastructure is a mess because FL cheaps out on cleaning up and rebuilding after hurricanes.
The “best” part about relying on tourists to pay your bills is that when the inevitable recessions hit and people stop spending as much on tourism, or your beaches are wiped out from the latest category 5, you’re left without needed funds right when you need them the most and your people are least able to pony up.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 20:26
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
The states couldn’t do what fema does if their lives depended on it. They don’t have the resources, the contacts or the know-how. They can fumble through it but their citizens will suffer more than they would have otherwise. It’s far more complicated than “go do it yourself and we will partially reimburse you”, which seems to be the plan.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 19:35
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Guess people should get ready for their state and local taxes to raise.
Further, infrastructure investment is something Democrats have been calling for which is why they created whole funding and programs for it last administration. Becuase you know helping states and the country make sustainable infrastructure investments is good for everyone.
Not sure why we need another review though when ACoR, FEMA, DOT and state agencies can already answer most questions.
States like Florida should not have no income tax and then rely on the Feds to bail them out each and every year for hurricanes. Raise their taxes.
California too.
If you cut off Florida and say they’re not part of the country and can’t receive federal funding for natural disasters then they will just recoup that cost by charging tolls/taxes when anyone from the north drives or flies into the state for vacation.
Lots of states can do the same.
YAY! Way to kill off your tourism and vacation industry!
Anonymous
03/19/2025 19:35
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Anonymous wrote:I think FEMA has lost all credibility now that they were housing and looking after illegal immigrants. That was supposed to be a cost borne only by the “sanctuary cities” whose citizens voted to allow them into the country and pay to support them. Federal money and resources should never have been used for that.
This has already been repeatedly debunked. No money was taken from disaster response to go to illegals. Go away, lying, bad-faith loser.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 16:57
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Guess people should get ready for their state and local taxes to raise.
Further, infrastructure investment is something Democrats have been calling for which is why they created whole funding and programs for it last administration. Becuase you know helping states and the country make sustainable infrastructure investments is good for everyone.
Not sure why we need another review though when ACoR, FEMA, DOT and state agencies can already answer most questions.
States like Florida should not have no income tax and then rely on the Feds to bail them out each and every year for hurricanes. Raise their taxes.
California too.
If you cut off Florida and say they’re not part of the country and can’t receive federal funding for natural disasters then they will just recoup that cost by charging tolls/taxes when anyone from the north drives or flies into the state for vacation.
Lots of states can do the same.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 14:58
Subject: FEMA shifted to states?
I’m horrified by what’s happening to the federal government, but given that I have no ability to seriously put up any stop to it, I certainly hope this turns out to be the case.
I live in Massachusetts, and I hope we can use our state tax system to fund healthcare and education, as we already do. We’re the original home of Obamacare actually. Only back then it was Romney care.
I live in Massachusetts, and I hope we can use our state tax system to fund healthcare and education, as we already do. We’re the original home of Obamacare actually. Only back then it was Romney care.