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Anonymous wrote:I thought that kid did incredibly. Very well acted on his part

I dunno.

I know a ton of tweens who could argue for hours and hours. Especially to avoid taking responsibility for things!

Yet I felt bad for him (as did the therapist), after he begged her to like him, even just a little bit.

Sucker

You’re being manipulated by a self-centered DARVO-ing narc.

DP

No, manipulated by a CHILD that we see as innocent and once was, but through bullying and neglect he turned into something else. It's OK to feel these normal human emotions.

I thought it was tough to look at it through Jamie's parents lens. I also felt it was a bit short. I would have liked to see more of the detective's son's story, he too was being bullied. I would have like to see more of Jade's story, she was being bullied. And we never saw the girls parents perspectives and what they learned about her actions as the catalyst to her murder.

Thank goodness you’re not a public defender and see how many irreversibly troubled and violent CHILDREN there are in this country and overseas. Yes, they do exist.

DP, but I agree these kids become irreversibly troubled and violent.

But I agree with PP that they are not born that way. They don't come out of the womb predisposed to murder people. There are factors that lead a kid down this path, and there are factors that can prevent a kid from turning into this kind of violent sociopath. The show isn't arguing that Jaime is redeemable or that he isn't to blame for the murder. It's showing how there are things this family, this school, and this community could have done to change what happened, and that the poor choices that led Jaime down that path weren't even particularly malicious or intentional.

I found it particularly heartbreaking in the last episode when the parents were talking about their own culpability, because I think they were right about the places where they failed, but they were talking about things that parents fail at all the time, ever day, despite best intentions. Jaime didn't take to sports early on, and they maybe didn't do a great job of helping him find other interests, so when he got into gaming and being into his computer, they were just happy he had a thing and bought him all his gear and didn't really think that hard about it. And you can see how maybe Jaime was a sensitive kid who needed more overt love and support from his dad, but his dad was not socialized to offer that and felt uncomfortable with it, and just kind of evaded it. Not because he didn't love his kid but because he didn't have the tools. And then when Jaime was staying up late on his computer every night, and his mom knows it and is telling him that it's late and he needs to go to sleep, but she never goes in and just says "hey, what is going on, what is troubling you, how can I help?" when in retrospect it's very clear he needed that intervention.

Kids are not born killers. I think some kids are born with more sensitive personalities, I think some people are more susceptible to rejection or ostracism and can have more severe emotional responses to it (I actually think I am one of those people, but I'm not a violent person). But we've created a culture, an education system, and attitudes about childhood and parenting that don't do a great job with those kids, that expect those children to just suck it up and deal, and it turns out this can result in very troubled, violent people who have these explosive emotions, who feel deep rage and alienation, and have no skills or support system for dealing them. These people are personally responsible for their actions, but as a society we should really be asking ourselves why we are producing so many people like this. We have culpability here too.

Some are PP.

Sorry you have avoided those people, books, psycho dramas, lines of work, and news articles.

Your personal opinion is noted, but is wrong.

Sorry but if you have been around the block enough you know full well that ONE kid from a big family can easily end up like a sociopath or law breaker when NONE of the other siblings have had anywhere close to that degree or frequency of issues.

As a parent, there was little ne could do except get them mental health until they aged out of your care. Then hope for the best and at boundaries.

It is nurture AND nature.

Everyone wants to be blessed with easy kids, good kids. Some families are, some are not. You always do the best nurture stuff, but some aspects of a child are indeed outside of that.

People don’t want to believe kids are born this way but a small percentage of kids really are. They just don’t have the same feelings as others.

Think of the James Bulger case where a two year old boy was kidnapped, tortured extensively, and killed by two ten year olds.

That is what the therapist completely realizes but she is hired by the defense. So she is in a quandary of how to write it up when she knows he is evil and has an explosive temper.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all the UK tabloids saying this is based on a story of a black 13 yo immigrant snapping and knifing a white girl?

Is that true? And the director chose to make the killer a white boy with mental issues?

Because it is true. The media in the UK is pushing a narrative, and reality is inconvenient.

It must be tough to be low information

There were four stabbings at schools in my non DMV area. Newsflash: it's a highly segregated area so boys were knifing girls of their own race.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a64234421/adolescence-netflix-true-story-explained/

"Is Adolescence a true story?
While Jamie’s story told in Adolescence isn’t based on a single incident, it does draw influence from a handful of real-life reports of young boys involved in knife crimes. In March 2023, there were almost 18,500 cautions and convictions made for possession of a knife, and 17.3 percent of those offenders were between the ages of 10 and 17, per the House of Commons library.
It shocked me. I was thinking, ‘What’s going on? What’s happening in society where a boy stabs a girl to death? What’s the inciting incident here?’ And then it happened again, and it happened again, and it happened again. I really just wanted to shine a light on it, and ask, ‘Why is this happening today? What’s going on? How have we come to this?’” Graham told Netflix’s Tudum.

“We could have made a drama about gangs and knife crime, or about a kid whose mother is an alcoholic or whose father is a violent abuser,” he continued. “Instead, we wanted you to look at this family and think, ‘My God. This could be happening to us,’ and what’s happening here is an ordinary family’s worst nightmare.’”"

“We want everyone to think this could happen to them.”????

The govt wants to incite panic like that and then what?

True social media and video games allow you the disassociate from actually killing a human. Worked for Luigi Mangione too. Just radicalize and rationale your planned murder.

But most people are moral and ethical, and physically not capable of knifing someone to death or shooting them in the back (unless in self defense mode with good instincts and bias towards action).

But going around saying this is going to happen more and more and everywhere in huge volumes is false.

Because the consequences of someone being radicalized in this way are so dangerous, yes it is useful for all parents to think "this could happen to my kid." Because it might incentivize more parents to take the intervening steps to prevent it, to pay attention to red flags, to not give their kids up to violent video games and unmonitored social media use.

In the UK, these kids get knives and stab other kids. In the US, they get guns and kill people. This issue is much more critical in the US because of access to more lethal weapons. So yeah, it would be good for more parents to think "this could happen to us" and do something about it. Because even if it only happens to this degree to one in 100,000 kids, the consequences on a society-wide level are still too much.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought that kid did incredibly. Very well acted on his part

I dunno.

I know a ton of tweens who could argue for hours and hours. Especially to avoid taking responsibility for things!

Yet I felt bad for him (as did the therapist), after he begged her to like him, even just a little bit.

Sucker

You’re being manipulated by a self-centered DARVO-ing narc.

DP

No, manipulated by a CHILD that we see as innocent and once was, but through bullying and neglect he turned into something else. It's OK to feel these normal human emotions.

I thought it was tough to look at it through Jamie's parents lens. I also felt it was a bit short. I would have liked to see more of the detective's son's story, he too was being bullied. I would have like to see more of Jade's story, she was being bullied. And we never saw the girls parents perspectives and what they learned about her actions as the catalyst to her murder.

Thank goodness you’re not a public defender and see how many irreversibly troubled and violent CHILDREN there are in this country and overseas. Yes, they do exist.

DP, but I agree these kids become irreversibly troubled and violent.

But I agree with PP that they are not born that way. They don't come out of the womb predisposed to murder people. There are factors that lead a kid down this path, and there are factors that can prevent a kid from turning into this kind of violent sociopath. The show isn't arguing that Jaime is redeemable or that he isn't to blame for the murder. It's showing how there are things this family, this school, and this community could have done to change what happened, and that the poor choices that led Jaime down that path weren't even particularly malicious or intentional.

I found it particularly heartbreaking in the last episode when the parents were talking about their own culpability, because I think they were right about the places where they failed, but they were talking about things that parents fail at all the time, ever day, despite best intentions. Jaime didn't take to sports early on, and they maybe didn't do a great job of helping him find other interests, so when he got into gaming and being into his computer, they were just happy he had a thing and bought him all his gear and didn't really think that hard about it. And you can see how maybe Jaime was a sensitive kid who needed more overt love and support from his dad, but his dad was not socialized to offer that and felt uncomfortable with it, and just kind of evaded it. Not because he didn't love his kid but because he didn't have the tools. And then when Jaime was staying up late on his computer every night, and his mom knows it and is telling him that it's late and he needs to go to sleep, but she never goes in and just says "hey, what is going on, what is troubling you, how can I help?" when in retrospect it's very clear he needed that intervention.

Kids are not born killers. I think some kids are born with more sensitive personalities, I think some people are more susceptible to rejection or ostracism and can have more severe emotional responses to it (I actually think I am one of those people, but I'm not a violent person). But we've created a culture, an education system, and attitudes about childhood and parenting that don't do a great job with those kids, that expect those children to just suck it up and deal, and it turns out this can result in very troubled, violent people who have these explosive emotions, who feel deep rage and alienation, and have no skills or support system for dealing them. These people are personally responsible for their actions, but as a society we should really be asking ourselves why we are producing so many people like this. We have culpability here too.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all the UK tabloids saying this is based on a story of a black 13 yo immigrant snapping and knifing a white girl?

Is that true? And the director chose to make the killer a white boy with mental issues?

Because it is true. The media in the UK is pushing a narrative, and reality is inconvenient.

It must be tough to be low information

There were four stabbings at schools in my non DMV area. Newsflash: it's a highly segregated area so boys were knifing girls of their own race.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a64234421/adolescence-netflix-true-story-explained/

"Is Adolescence a true story?
While Jamie’s story told in Adolescence isn’t based on a single incident, it does draw influence from a handful of real-life reports of young boys involved in knife crimes. In March 2023, there were almost 18,500 cautions and convictions made for possession of a knife, and 17.3 percent of those offenders were between the ages of 10 and 17, per the House of Commons library.
It shocked me. I was thinking, ‘What’s going on? What’s happening in society where a boy stabs a girl to death? What’s the inciting incident here?’ And then it happened again, and it happened again, and it happened again. I really just wanted to shine a light on it, and ask, ‘Why is this happening today? What’s going on? How have we come to this?’” Graham told Netflix’s Tudum.

“We could have made a drama about gangs and knife crime, or about a kid whose mother is an alcoholic or whose father is a violent abuser,” he continued. “Instead, we wanted you to look at this family and think, ‘My God. This could be happening to us,’ and what’s happening here is an ordinary family’s worst nightmare.’”"

“We want everyone to think this could happen to them.”????

The govt wants to incite panic like that and then what?

True social media and video games allow you the disassociate from actually killing a human. Worked for Luigi Mangione too. Just radicalize and rationale your planned murder.

But most people are moral and ethical, and physically not capable of knifing someone to death or shooting them in the back (unless in self defense mode with good instincts and bias towards action).

But going around saying this is going to happen more and more and everywhere in huge volumes is false.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought that kid did incredibly. Very well acted on his part

I dunno.

I know a ton of tweens who could argue for hours and hours. Especially to avoid taking responsibility for things!

Yet I felt bad for him (as did the therapist), after he begged her to like him, even just a little bit.

Sucker

You’re being manipulated by a self-centered DARVO-ing narc.

DP

No, manipulated by a CHILD that we see as innocent and once was, but through bullying and neglect he turned into something else. It's OK to feel these normal human emotions.

I thought it was tough to look at it through Jamie's parents lens. I also felt it was a bit short. I would have liked to see more of the detective's son's story, he too was being bullied. I would have like to see more of Jade's story, she was being bullied. And we never saw the girls parents perspectives and what they learned about her actions as the catalyst to her murder.

Thank goodness you’re not a public defender and see how many irreversibly troubled and violent CHILDREN there are in this country and overseas. Yes, they do exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all the UK tabloids saying this is based on a story of a black 13 yo immigrant snapping and knifing a white girl?

Is that true? And the director chose to make the killer a white boy with mental issues?

Because it is true. The media in the UK is pushing a narrative, and reality is inconvenient.

So media and the director made a movie about a psychopath White boy killer.

But the reality is the knife stabber killer was a black African violent immigrant boy?

So the movie is fictional and attempting to pin it on social media or psychopaths?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all the UK tabloids saying this is based on a story of a black 13 yo immigrant snapping and knifing a white girl?

Is that true? And the director chose to make the killer a white boy with mental issues?

Because it is true. The media in the UK is pushing a narrative, and reality is inconvenient.

It must be tough to be low information

There were four stabbings at schools in my non DMV area. Newsflash: it's a highly segregated area so boys were knifing girls of their own race.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a64234421/adolescence-netflix-true-story-explained/

"Is Adolescence a true story?
While Jamie’s story told in Adolescence isn’t based on a single incident, it does draw influence from a handful of real-life reports of young boys involved in knife crimes. In March 2023, there were almost 18,500 cautions and convictions made for possession of a knife, and 17.3 percent of those offenders were between the ages of 10 and 17, per the House of Commons library.
It shocked me. I was thinking, ‘What’s going on? What’s happening in society where a boy stabs a girl to death? What’s the inciting incident here?’ And then it happened again, and it happened again, and it happened again. I really just wanted to shine a light on it, and ask, ‘Why is this happening today? What’s going on? How have we come to this?’” Graham told Netflix’s Tudum.

“We could have made a drama about gangs and knife crime, or about a kid whose mother is an alcoholic or whose father is a violent abuser,” he continued. “Instead, we wanted you to look at this family and think, ‘My God. This could be happening to us,’ and what’s happening here is an ordinary family’s worst nightmare.’”"

I thought the therapist was stunned and upset because she knew then that he was a murderer, as did the audience.

Jamie’s voice was hoarse from the few takes they had to do with him giving it his all.

Outstanding show ! But, one needs to use subtitles in order to understand the dialogue.

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Anonymous wrote:It was gut wrenching to watch. But I thought the police at the school trying to interview the kids was very odd and unbelievable . I can’t imagine any parent being ok with the police questioning their minor children like that without them being present. Especially the one detective chasing the friend outside of school grounds and interviewing him alone in a back alley. That can’t be legal there.

As I understand it, in UK a minor needs an appropriate person/adult with them, which is what the father becomes in the first episode (but first it was the short man/social worker in the police car when they arrested Jamie). In the school scenes, the teacher that is going around with two cops seems to be acting in that appropriate person role.

In the US, the police definitely can come to school and question minors. Depending on what kind of school, the school can refuse to allow the police access, but can also cooperate. A child can request their parents. It depends on jurisdiction, but this can happen in the US.

The detective chasing the friend was because the child fled out a window/ so was in hot pursuit.

In the show, Jamie has 2 friends (one gets arrested for supplying the knife). BUT the other friend it appears doesn't get in trouble (at least that is what I concluded after watching all the episodes). In Episode 2 the third friend tells the other friend his father wouldn't let him speak to the police when they came by the house the day before, and that he isn't allowed to talk about it to anyone. The other friend then says his parents didn't seem to care and were like "whatever". When the fighting breaks out on the playground during the fire drill, that third friend sneaks away from the chaos, and seems to try to separate himself from anything that will draw attention. So it appears parents intervening and tell their children to remain silent kept one kid out of trouble

You do not understand the concept of "hot pursuit".

Hot pursuit is when a police officer witnesses one committing a crime and then chases the suspect. Jumping out of a window to avoid being interrogated when not in legal custody is not a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought that kid did incredibly. Very well acted on his part

I dunno.

I know a ton of tweens who could argue for hours and hours. Especially to avoid taking responsibility for things!

Yet I felt bad for him (as did the therapist), after he begged her to like him, even just a little bit.

Sucker

You’re being manipulated by a self-centered DARVO-ing narc.

DP

No, manipulated by a CHILD that we see as innocent and once was, but through bullying and neglect he turned into something else. It's OK to feel these normal human emotions.

I thought it was tough to look at it through Jamie's parents lens. I also felt it was a bit short. I would have liked to see more of the detective's son's story, he too was being bullied. I would have like to see more of Jade's story, she was being bullied. And we never saw the girls parents perspectives and what they learned about her actions as the catalyst to her murder.

Anonymous wrote:Why are all the UK tabloids saying this is based on a story of a black 13 yo immigrant snapping and knifing a white girl?

Is that true? And the director chose to make the killer a white boy with mental issues?

Because it is true. The media in the UK is pushing a narrative, and reality is inconvenient.

Why are all the UK tabloids saying this is based on a story of a black 13 yo immigrant snapping and knifing a white girl?

Is that true? And the director chose to make the killer a white boy with mental issues?