Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 22:13     Subject: Re:Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We looked at a lot of LACs but ruled out Middlebury early on, partly because of the distribution of majors in their common data sets. It has only 1/2 to 2/3 the STEM major rate of most top LACs. Students tend to flock to the strongest depths on a given campus. Also, it says something about the intellectual diversity on campus.

Middlebury students themselves seem to regard it as a school primarily oriented toward languages, social sciences and the humanities.


+1. It is very good at these things though.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 21:57     Subject: Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:Hamilton and Vassar are also ranked higher than Midd and that seems right to me. Middlebury is having trouble attracting talented faculty in certain areas.

Irrespective of rankings, I'd say that Hamilton and Vassar offer more distinctive attributes than does Middlebury, although in different ways.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 21:31     Subject: Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Middlebury was ranked 4th in US News as recently as 2018. Would bet pretty much anything the decline was due to a change in US News' scoring methodology. Maybe something of substance also changed, but to drop so far so fast usually means the scoring system has changed.

https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2024/10/middlebury-falls-to-19th-in-u-s-news-world-report-ranking

Middlebury's ranking from 4-12 since 1990, typically 4-7 for the last 20 years only dropping once SES factors started coming into play.


social mobility ranking is tied for 120th
financial resources have dropped to 45th

How sad a magazine is influencing ignorance's mind.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 21:28     Subject: Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:Middlebury was ranked 4th in US News as recently as 2018. Would bet pretty much anything the decline was due to a change in US News' scoring methodology. Maybe something of substance also changed, but to drop so far so fast usually means the scoring system has changed.

https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2024/10/middlebury-falls-to-19th-in-u-s-news-world-report-ranking

Middlebury's ranking from 4-12 since 1990, typically 4-7 for the last 20 years only dropping once SES factors started coming into play.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 21:25     Subject: Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely one of the top 10.

Schools like Carleton Harvey Mudd are largely irrelevant but ranked higher.


Others have commented on why the Carleton dig is misplaced, but including HMC in an attempt to boost Middlebury is also an interesting choice! That's probably the top undergraduate-focused school for STEM in the entire country. Says so much about PP and Middlebury!


Lots of trade schools rejects go to HMC. If you want engineering, go to a proper school like Georgia tech or Cal!

What trade school reject is looking to spend their years doing calc, physics, bio, and chem. It has one of the most intense core curriculums in the nation, so those trade school rejects are quite smart.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 21:21     Subject: Re:Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:We looked at a lot of LACs but ruled out Middlebury early on, partly because of the distribution of majors in their common data sets. It has only 1/2 to 2/3 the STEM major rate of most top LACs. Students tend to flock to the strongest depths on a given campus. Also, it says something about the intellectual diversity on campus.

Middlebury students themselves seem to regard it as a school primarily oriented toward languages, social sciences and the humanities.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 21:17     Subject: Re:Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Middlebury gets an "F" from this site, for those who value schools that require students challenge themselves outside their comfort zones with actual distribution requirements. We wanted an environment where students valued well-rounded educations.

https://www.whatwilltheylearn.com/schools/2730

This would reflect Middlebury increasing enrollment the last 5 or so years by 10-15% without saying they were doing it officially (and downright lying about it, saying, year after year, that it was all due to COVID or “unexpected yield”. I don’t think they are lying about their enrollment increase anymore, now that it is permanent.)

To make a long story short, during and after COVID, study abroad declines were killing Middlebury schools abroad, Monterey was financially bleeding — all of these are one entity tied in with Middlebury College. Also explains Midd’s recent movement to higher proportion of class admitted ED (less financial aid, more full pay, despite being “need blind”).

Anyhow, the worst of the adjustment is now over, but Middlebury is farther from the “top 5” (WASP plus Bowdoin) than it even was. And I think this is permanent. It now needs to try to hang on to what it has. But the likes of Harvey Mudd and Claremont McKenna are now looking at Midd in the rear view mirror…


\My god you are an effing idiot....just read the news and knock the crap
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 21:14     Subject: Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely one of the top 10.

Schools like Carleton Harvey Mudd are largely irrelevant but ranked higher.


Others have commented on why the Carleton dig is misplaced, but including HMC in an attempt to boost Middlebury is also an interesting choice! That's probably the top undergraduate-focused school for STEM in the entire country. Says so much about PP and Middlebury!


Lots of trade schools rejects go to HMC. If you want engineering, go to a proper school like Georgia tech or Cal!
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 21:10     Subject: Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:Demographics used to be LL Bean waspy prep school kids that couldn’t get into Bowdoin,Amherst, and Williams. Didn’t they no it was geared towards pre-med or finance/ Wall Street.


Ignorance is a blessing. Now you know.

And they still are.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 19:39     Subject: Middlebury ranking
Demographics used to be LL Bean waspy prep school kids that couldn’t get into Bowdoin,Amherst, and Williams. Didn’t they no it was geared towards pre-med or finance/ Wall Street.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 19:19     Subject: Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:Middlebury was ranked 4th in US News as recently as 2018. Would bet pretty much anything the decline was due to a change in US News' scoring methodology. Maybe something of substance also changed, but to drop so far so fast usually means the scoring system has changed.

https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2024/10/middlebury-falls-to-19th-in-u-s-news-world-report-ranking


The biggest drop came in how financial resources are calculated, ranked, and incorporated into overall rank. Now US News only count finances that go towards academics. Back then they included finances that went things like sports. Their faculty to student ratio also dropped. It is true that US News puts more weight on Pell grant grad rates now than then, but that’s about a 5% difference, and nationwide about 1/3 of students get Pell grants (pre Trump anyway.)
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 19:06     Subject: Middlebury ranking
Middlebury was ranked 4th in US News as recently as 2018. Would bet pretty much anything the decline was due to a change in US News' scoring methodology. Maybe something of substance also changed, but to drop so far so fast usually means the scoring system has changed.

https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2024/10/middlebury-falls-to-19th-in-u-s-news-world-report-ranking
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 18:52     Subject: Re:Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:Middlebury gets an "F" from this site, for those who value schools that require students challenge themselves outside their comfort zones with actual distribution requirements. We wanted an environment where students valued well-rounded educations.

https://www.whatwilltheylearn.com/schools/2730

This would reflect Middlebury increasing enrollment the last 5 or so years by 10-15% without saying they were doing it officially (and downright lying about it, saying, year after year, that it was all due to COVID or “unexpected yield”. I don’t think they are lying about their enrollment increase anymore, now that it is permanent.)

To make a long story short, during and after COVID, study abroad declines were killing Middlebury schools abroad, Monterey was financially bleeding — all of these are one entity tied in with Middlebury College. Also explains Midd’s recent movement to higher proportion of class admitted ED (less financial aid, more full pay, despite being “need blind”).

Anyhow, the worst of the adjustment is now over, but Middlebury is farther from the “top 5” (WASP plus Bowdoin) than it even was. And I think this is permanent. It now needs to try to hang on to what it has. But the likes of Harvey Mudd and Claremont McKenna are now looking at Midd in the rear view mirror…
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 18:49     Subject: Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely one of the top 10.

Schools like Carleton Harvey Mudd are largely irrelevant but ranked higher.


Others have commented on why the Carleton dig is misplaced, but including HMC in an attempt to boost Middlebury is also an interesting choice! That's probably the top undergraduate-focused school for STEM in the entire country. Says so much about PP and Middlebury!
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 18:42     Subject: Re:Middlebury ranking
Middlebury gets an "F" from this site, for those who value schools that require students challenge themselves outside their comfort zones with actual distribution requirements. We wanted an environment where students valued well-rounded educations.

https://www.whatwilltheylearn.com/schools/2730