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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. If he's so smart, hasn't he read all the professors' web pages and looked at what courses and clubs and research programs and summer programs, etc, are offered at each college, and figured out which is his first and second choice? He should know what he would write in his essay that would convey what he would contribute to the school's scholarship and community. DCUM cannot answer this for you.

I am genuinely puzzled by all these brilliant, rich, private schoool kids who don't bother to do their own research and figure out which colleges appeal to them and why.

Kindly, I don't expect that would you understand. Successful private school students that come from highly rigorous schools obviously have ideas about where they'd like to go to schools, but most of them are also working insane hours each day with school, sports, extracurricular, job, internship, etc. commitments. The parents that send their kids to these schools generally are more involved, or place a higher value on academics, therefore they will do their own research, too. A person who's child is lower energy and from a less demanding school would likely not understand these things. DP

NP. This doesn’t make any sense. What’s low energy about a kid actually doing their own research?

It does make me laugh, though, because two recent college tour guides wrapped up their tours by telling the group they chose the school because their mom told them to. Very impressive!

I don't understand the point of anything you just said. Low energy means if you go to school at 9:45 am in your pajama pants then come home and bed rot while looking on your phone for five hours you have more time to do a deep dive into colleges. If you have kids that are gone from the house 12 hours a day going from school, to activity/job, to hours of homework you understand why it's beneficial to have a parent also researching college. Honestly, the more people that are vested in a child's success, including that child, the better. Obviously, there are lots of public school kids that work this hard, too. My guess is that they also have involved parents. As you can see from your college tour guides (usually successful students), kids that have involved parents tend to be more successful and healthy young adults. Like I said, if you're not living that life, you won't understand. Peace.

I absolutely love the idea that this fictional kid is “reading all the professors' web pages and looking at courses and clubs and research programs and summer programs…” Thanks for the laugh. You’re clearly a very happy and fun person to be around.

Agree. That kid is immature and obviously wouldn't be doing that. Those that have the time are usually not inclined to do so. Those that don't have the time are usually working their booties off during this crazy competitive college admissions process and lack the time to be able to do so. The worst are the kids that do nothing but their parents pull strings and get them into good colleges edging out kids that actually deserve the opportunity.

You can't surmise whether I'm fun or not based on a DCUM post. But totally agree we likely run with different circles.

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Midd vs HC, US News has Midd at 19 HC at 28 not a large gap and one is looking at cows and maple syrup for 4 years and the other is a short riđe into a great city-Boston.

You're on the wrong thread.

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Midd vs HC, US News has Midd at 19 HC at 28 not a large gap and one is looking at cows and maple syrup for 4 years and the other is a short riđe into a great city-Boston.

Personally I’d choose the cows and maple syrup, but that’s what’s great about having choices. We don’t all want the same thing.

Regarding Midd vs HC, US News has Midd at 19 HC at 28 not a large gap and one is looking at cows and maple syrup for 4 years and the other is a short riđe into a great city-Boston.

High school is Gonzaga. Does that change the advice?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. If he's so smart, hasn't he read all the professors' web pages and looked at what courses and clubs and research programs and summer programs, etc, are offered at each college, and figured out which is his first and second choice? He should know what he would write in his essay that would convey what he would contribute to the school's scholarship and community. DCUM cannot answer this for you.

I am genuinely puzzled by all these brilliant, rich, private schoool kids who don't bother to do their own research and figure out which colleges appeal to them and why.

Kindly, I don't expect that would you understand. Successful private school students that come from highly rigorous schools obviously have ideas about where they'd like to go to schools, but most of them are also working insane hours each day with school, sports, extracurricular, job, internship, etc. commitments. The parents that send their kids to these schools generally are more involved, or place a higher value on academics, therefore they will do their own research, too. A person who's child is lower energy and from a less demanding school would likely not understand these things. DP

NP. This doesn’t make any sense. What’s low energy about a kid actually doing their own research?

It does make me laugh, though, because two recent college tour guides wrapped up their tours by telling the group they chose the school because their mom told them to. Very impressive!

I don't understand the point of anything you just said. Low energy means if you go to school at 9:45 am in your pajama pants then come home and bed rot while looking on your phone for five hours you have more time to do a deep dive into colleges. If you have kids that are gone from the house 12 hours a day going from school, to activity/job, to hours of homework you understand why it's beneficial to have a parent also researching college. Honestly, the more people that are vested in a child's success, including that child, the better. Obviously, there are lots of public school kids that work this hard, too. My guess is that they also have involved parents. As you can see from your college tour guides (usually successful students), kids that have involved parents tend to be more successful and healthy young adults. Like I said, if you're not living that life, you won't understand. Peace.

I absolutely love the idea that this fictional kid is “reading all the professors' web pages and looking at courses and clubs and research programs and summer programs…” Thanks for the laugh. You’re clearly a very happy and fun person to be around.

Anonymous wrote:Midd is a safety for Dartmouth and obviously does not have the Ivy brand. Holy Cross is also s Safety for Dartmouth but The HC brand is reinvested -they have a fantastic new President - Brown U. grad with compelling Resume. Again 1 Hour to Boston vs rural northern Vermont good for skiers.

No one asked about Holy Cross. Enough.

Midd is a safety for Dartmouth and obviously does not have the Ivy brand. Holy Cross is also s Safety for Dartmouth but The HC brand is reinvested -they have a fantastic new President - Brown U. grad with compelling Resume. Again 1 Hour to Boston vs rural northern Vermont good for skiers.

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Anonymous wrote:Its outcomes no horse in this race but Holy Cross produces a lot more successful alumni than Midd. Also 4 Years in northern Vermont-yikes.

Hmmm. Not seeing this from our private. It's definitely considered a step down from Midd. But I'm sure the alumni are great.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. If he's so smart, hasn't he read all the professors' web pages and looked at what courses and clubs and research programs and summer programs, etc, are offered at each college, and figured out which is his first and second choice? He should know what he would write in his essay that would convey what he would contribute to the school's scholarship and community. DCUM cannot answer this for you.

I am genuinely puzzled by all these brilliant, rich, private schoool kids who don't bother to do their own research and figure out which colleges appeal to them and why.

Kindly, I don't expect that would you understand. Successful private school students that come from highly rigorous schools obviously have ideas about where they'd like to go to schools, but most of them are also working insane hours each day with school, sports, extracurricular, job, internship, etc. commitments. The parents that send their kids to these schools generally are more involved, or place a higher value on academics, therefore they will do their own research, too. A person who's child is lower energy and from a less demanding school would likely not understand these things. DP

NP. This doesn’t make any sense. What’s low energy about a kid actually doing their own research?

It does make me laugh, though, because two recent college tour guides wrapped up their tours by telling the group they chose the school because their mom told them to. Very impressive!

I don't understand the point of anything you just said. Low energy means if you go to school at 9:45 am in your pajama pants then come home and bed rot while looking on your phone for five hours you have more time to do a deep dive into colleges. If you have kids that are gone from the house 12 hours a day going from school, to activity/job, to hours of homework you understand why it's beneficial to have a parent also researching college. Honestly, the more people that are vested in a child's success, including that child, the better. Obviously, there are lots of public school kids that work this hard, too. My guess is that they also have involved parents. As you can see from your college tour guides (usually successful students), kids that have involved parents tend to be more successful and healthy young adults. Like I said, if you're not living that life, you won't understand. Peace.

William’s ED acceptance rate was 26% and Midd’s was 34% so not as different as you might assume. Overall rates were about 10% for both. Being male prob helps more at Midd based on numbers of applicants.

Anonymous wrote:How about Colgate or Holy Cross. Bowdoin and Midd are smaller. HC has powerhouse alumni network and only 1 hour into Boston.

Don’t forget about Bucknell!

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Anonymous wrote:How about Colgate or Holy Cross. Bowdoin and Midd are smaller. HC has powerhouse alumni network and only 1 hour into Boston.

Ummm. Do you know private schools? The kids that go to Colgate from ours are 3.7 or so at best. HC is much lower.

Colgate is a 3.5 school at a top private. HC is lower still.

Agree. It's a very different caliber of student at HC. A kid thinking about Dartmouth or Midd is not actually "aiming" for HC.

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Anonymous wrote:How about Colgate or Holy Cross. Bowdoin and Midd are smaller. HC has powerhouse alumni network and only 1 hour into Boston.

Ummm. Do you know private schools? The kids that go to Colgate from ours are 3.7 or so at best. HC is much lower.

Colgate is a 3.5 school at a top private. HC is lower still.

Anonymous wrote:Get info from you CCO on chances and if Dartmouth has any supporting data, figure out what a successful candidate looks like. Spend a month or two listening to Lee Coffin's podcast.

A lot of kids who like D from our private do:

ED1: Dartmouth
ED2: Middlebury

Did you read the op’s post? School data suggests gpa too low for Dartmouth.