Anonymous wrote:Look in your agency's internal regulations. Ex, FAM/FAH for State.

In the event of large-scale RIFs, I seriously doubt they will follow internal regs.

Look in your agency's internal regulations. Ex, FAM/FAH for State.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why so many of you still believe there will be retention lists and bump/retreat. No, they are either going to do numerous small RIFs or create a ton of narrow competitive areas where everyone is cut. That makes it so they don't have to rank anyone, do a retention list, or find a new position for you.

THIS. I don't think a single agency has asked folks to create a RIF resume. They aren't going to be following the old rules.

I can see them RIFing entire offices that they don't want out of the gate like they are doing currently. But I also believe there will be other offices that maybe they want to cut in half. A RIF would come in there, though it's anyone's guess as to whether they try to rewrite such rules.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Grade matter in RIFs? Between a GS15 of 9 years service and a GS13 of 10 years service, who will be RIFed first?

Presuming there is even a position for either and both are in the same competitive area, grade and step do not matter; with those presumptions met, all that matters is vet status, years of service, and average rating.

Are Economists and Attorneys in the same competitive area?

A general rule is, “are the jobs interchangeable?” Economists with different specialties are probably interchangeable; same with attorneys. Attorneys and economists are almost certainly not.

This would come down to the position descriptions as opposed to the skill sets of the incumbents.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why so many of you still believe there will be retention lists and bump/retreat. No, they are either going to do numerous small RIFs or create a ton of narrow competitive areas where everyone is cut. That makes it so they don't have to rank anyone, do a retention list, or find a new position for you.

THIS. I don't think a single agency has asked folks to create a RIF resume. They aren't going to be following the old rules.

I thought there was something in the RIF regs about transferring functions to other areas not being permissible. Like if you eliminate what a group does that's fine but you can't just RIF one group and move their work to another group to circumvent the RIF rules. Not an expert in this though, just thought I read that in the RIF manual.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Grade matter in RIFs? Between a GS15 of 9 years service and a GS13 of 10 years service, who will be RIFed first?

Presuming there is even a position for either and both are in the same competitive area, grade and step do not matter; with those presumptions met, all that matters is vet status, years of service, and average rating.

Are Economists and Attorneys in the same competitive area?

NP and there are two separate concepts, competitive area and competitive level. Area is an agency or a division or an office within an agency (i.e. subparts of GSA that were RIFd). The competitive level is the positions/grades that are being eliminated. In your example attorneys and economists would not be on the same competitive level because most economists would not have law licenses. Or they could just RIF all attorneys and economists in a competitive area.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Grade matter in RIFs? Between a GS15 of 9 years service and a GS13 of 10 years service, who will be RIFed first?

Presuming there is even a position for either and both are in the same competitive area, grade and step do not matter; with those presumptions met, all that matters is vet status, years of service, and average rating.

Are Economists and Attorneys in the same competitive area?

Anonymous wrote:Does Grade matter in RIFs? Between a GS15 of 9 years service and a GS13 of 10 years service, who will be RIFed first?

Presuming there is even a position for either and both are in the same competitive area, grade and step do not matter; with those presumptions met, all that matters is vet status, years of service, and average rating.

Does Grade matter in RIFs? Between a GS15 of 9 years service and a GS13 of 10 years service, who will be RIFed first?

Anonymous wrote:If your appraisal system has different rules, then your agency doesn’t have to follow OPM procedures. Acquisition Demo has its own procedures that prioritize performance first.

What does “your appraisal system has different rules” mean? Different from what?

part timers' service time is converted into full time basis. at least that how it was done many years ago for my agency. if you are .5 FTE w/ 10 years of service then your service time is converted to 5 years of full time.

If your appraisal system has different rules, then your agency doesn’t have to follow OPM procedures. Acquisition Demo has its own procedures that prioritize performance first.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, also part-time and not sure how that affects me in RIF.

You compete only against other part-timers.

This is so not true

Ok.
Why do you think that?

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why so many of you still believe there will be retention lists and bump/retreat. No, they are either going to do numerous small RIFs or create a ton of narrow competitive areas where everyone is cut. That makes it so they don't have to rank anyone, do a retention list, or find a new position for you.

Honestly it’s pretty genius. The only thing that should matter is job area and performance.

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why so many of you still believe there will be retention lists and bump/retreat. No, they are either going to do numerous small RIFs or create a ton of narrow competitive areas where everyone is cut. That makes it so they don't have to rank anyone, do a retention list, or find a new position for you.

THIS. I don't think a single agency has asked folks to create a RIF resume. They aren't going to be following the old rules.