Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about how Catholics are thinking about the current position of the Pope, which is decidedly against the Trump administration's immigration policies.

If you're Catholic and opposed legal abortion because the Catholic church was against it (although the government obviously supported it), are you now opposing these immigration policies for the same reason? And if not, how can you reconcile that with being Catholic?

Catholic here. Catholic school and college. Go to church. Pope is just the Pope. Someone not to be listened to really. What he says just disappears. Matters not who is Pope. One's relationship with God is their own. This is the correct Catholic view. Anything else is nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:This question misunderstands the nature of the Catholic faith. The Pope is only considered infallible in very specific matters of church doctrine. His random thoughts about US politics are not that and hold no extra weight.

—I’m not Catholic, but I do have a basic education

This is the correct answer.

Yup. And abortion is moral doctrine, the Pope can't change the teaching on that even if he wanted. Immigration is considered prudential policy and his musings on it have no authority over policymakers.

The Pope has no authority over US policy at all.

--Catholic

Again, the issue was Catholic doctrine, not US politics. Vance was misinterpreting the doctrine of ordo amoris and the pope set him straight. Vance claimed that Catholic doctrine is to take care of your nearest first, and then immigrants and people in other countries if there's anything left over. The Pope said no, ordo amoris means we need to "meditate constantly on the parable of the 'Good Samaritan,' that is, by medicating on the love that builds a fraternity open to all, without exception."

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Anonymous wrote:This question misunderstands the nature of the Catholic faith. The Pope is only considered infallible in very specific matters of church doctrine. His random thoughts about US politics are not that and hold no extra weight.

—I’m not Catholic, but I do have a basic education

This is the correct answer.

Yup. And abortion is moral doctrine, the Pope can't change the teaching on that even if he wanted. Immigration is considered prudential policy and his musings on it have no authority over policymakers.

The Pope has no authority over US policy at all.

--Catholic

When several Bishops call out Catholic politicians (Biden, Pelosi) for failing to impose Catholic views on fellow citizens, the Pope does have authority, and he is not an American.

Certainty the Pope cannot expect to influence US public policy via Catholic members of Congress. Remember, we have separation of church and State here.

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Anonymous wrote:This question misunderstands the nature of the Catholic faith. The Pope is only considered infallible in very specific matters of church doctrine. His random thoughts about US politics are not that and hold no extra weight.

—I’m not Catholic, but I do have a basic education

This is the correct answer.

Yup. And abortion is moral doctrine, the Pope can't change the teaching on that even if he wanted. Immigration is considered prudential policy and his musings on it have no authority over policymakers.

The Pope has no authority over US policy at all.

--Catholic

When several Bishops call out Catholic politicians (Biden, Pelosi) for failing to impose Catholic views on fellow citizens, the Pope does have authority, and he is not an American.

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Anonymous wrote:This question misunderstands the nature of the Catholic faith. The Pope is only considered infallible in very specific matters of church doctrine. His random thoughts about US politics are not that and hold no extra weight.

—I’m not Catholic, but I do have a basic education

This is the correct answer.

Yup. And abortion is moral doctrine, the Pope can't change the teaching on that even if he wanted. Immigration is considered prudential policy and his musings on it have no authority over policymakers.

Please explain the logic or lack thereof on why the Catholic Bishops do not actively oppose the death penalty in the same way that they oppose abortion. No non-Catholic gives a sh-t about the Catholic doctrine on the differences, as those are religious views (to which Catholics are entitled to hold). The real difference is abortion issues effects the mother and the fetus and is a personal decision. The death penalty is a state decision.

Catholics are against the death penalty.

+1 The Catholic Church is firm on its stance against the death penalty. Honestly, why do people who don’t have the first idea about Catholicism keep posting?

Did the Bishops threaten to withhold communion from AG Barr when he went out of his way to restart the Federal death penalty? Did any of the Bishops call AG Barr a cafeteria Catholic over the death penalty?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about how Catholics are thinking about the current position of the Pope, which is decidedly against the Trump administration's immigration policies.

If you're Catholic and opposed legal abortion because the Catholic church was against it (although the government obviously supported it), are you now opposing these immigration policies for the same reason? And if not, how can you reconcile that with being Catholic?

The irony is that the current Pope shares things in common with Trump as far as legal interpretation. Vatican has very strict laws about who can or cannot enter Vatican City. It doesn't allow anyone to take refuge there without permission and enforces criminal penalties.

I'm not sure how that's relevant. I've been to the Vatican, and calling it a city is a stretch. It's more like a small campus. Still, that has nothing to do with how Catholics are reconciling an explicit statement by the Pope that is in opposition to a government policy espoused largely by those claiming to be Christian.

“Vatican City” is the official name of the sovereign city-state of the Holy See. Surely you know that…

Surely you know that pp thinks "city" is an odd term for the small area that the Vatican encompasses.

Sure, I get that. But the PP was acting like the other PP made up the term “Vatican City” and seemed ignorant of the fact that that is what it’s called. If you’re going to start a thread about this stuff, you should have some sense of what you’re talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about how Catholics are thinking about the current position of the Pope, which is decidedly against the Trump administration's immigration policies.

If you're Catholic and opposed legal abortion because the Catholic church was against it (although the government obviously supported it), are you now opposing these immigration policies for the same reason? And if not, how can you reconcile that with being Catholic?

The irony is that the current Pope shares things in common with Trump as far as legal interpretation. Vatican has very strict laws about who can or cannot enter Vatican City. It doesn't allow anyone to take refuge there without permission and enforces criminal penalties.

I'm not sure how that's relevant. I've been to the Vatican, and calling it a city is a stretch. It's more like a small campus. Still, that has nothing to do with how Catholics are reconciling an explicit statement by the Pope that is in opposition to a government policy espoused largely by those claiming to be Christian.

“Vatican City” is the official name of the sovereign city-state of the Holy See. Surely you know that…

Surely you know that pp thinks "city" is an odd term for the small area that the Vatican encompasses.

There are Leonard Leo/Bannon extreme right Catholics and modern day real life Catholics

Vance theology refuted. So much for Jesuits. Trumped by, well, Trusk.

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Anonymous wrote:Were't most germens Catholic during WW2? There was still resistance.

What is a “germen”? Sounds misogynistic

Don't be a dolt.

Anonymous wrote:Were't most germens Catholic during WW2? There was still resistance.

What is a “germen”? Sounds misogynistic

Were't most germens Catholic during WW2? There was still resistance.

Anonymous wrote:Catholics are very good at picking and choosing what tenents they want to follow.

As though that is not true of many people from lots of different religions. Only the ultra-orthodox of any given religion follow everything to the letter (and likely fail also).

Guessing that OP isn't a NOVA catholic and has not seen Bishop Burbidge's recent official statement here:

https://www.arlingtondiocese.org/2025/01/31/a-pastoral-statement-on-the-catholic-imperative-of-upholding-human-dignity-and-the-common-good-in-american-immigration-law/

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Anonymous wrote:This question misunderstands the nature of the Catholic faith. The Pope is only considered infallible in very specific matters of church doctrine. His random thoughts about US politics are not that and hold no extra weight.

—I’m not Catholic, but I do have a basic education

This is the correct answer.

Yup. And abortion is moral doctrine, the Pope can't change the teaching on that even if he wanted. Immigration is considered prudential policy and his musings on it have no authority over policymakers.

Please explain the logic or lack thereof on why the Catholic Bishops do not actively oppose the death penalty in the same way that they oppose abortion. No non-Catholic gives a sh-t about the Catholic doctrine on the differences, as those are religious views (to which Catholics are entitled to hold). The real difference is abortion issues effects the mother and the fetus and is a personal decision. The death penalty is a state decision.

Catholics are against the death penalty.

They didn’t say Catholics they said the bishops.