Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:46
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Anonymous wrote:This may be a dumb question but my head is spinning from all the chaos — if we are made Schedule F do we lose all RIF protections?
Yes.
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:42
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Has the text of the EO been released?
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:40
Subject: Re:Executive Order on RIFs coming today
did the eo come out today?
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:35
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So if Dems force a shutdown where Trump
Just use that as leverage to RIF (ie, remove all non-essential employees)? I think that’s where this is headed sadly
This is right. Democrats always ignore the forrest for the trees. Are there regs? Yes, but a shutdown sets up the conditions where the regs won’t matter. We’re doomed by Dems mediocre, incremental, institutional thinking.
+100%
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:32
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a take on how much work is "not specifically required by statute"? I get the sense that almost everything is required by statute. Add that the RIF laws don't really match up with Elon's vision of AI and kids replacing all experienced federal workers.
March 14 + the courts are the two things that matter the most here. To pass a CR before Pi day they will need 60 votes in the Senate OR the Rs could go nuclear and change the rules to 50 votes. To get to 60 they need Dems, who will likely stop any massive cut/RIF -- at least until Sept. 30. But if Ds push that, then a shutdown might be the grand gop plan anyway.
My bet given that Rs DGAF about any precedence: Rs go for a shutdown, RIF like crazy, blame the Ds for "ignoring their mandate", and then change the senate rules to require only 50 votes. Then they pass a CR that codifies the RIFs/budget cuts.
Best case scenario, the Dems negotiate a CR that lasts until Sept. 30. Then the hammer falls with the nex year budget.
I doubt the Rs get rid of the filibuster because it will "hurt" them much more if the senate flips back to D. They would much prefer less gets done than more getting done which is a somewhat intended consequence of the filibuster.
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:32
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a take on how much work is "not specifically required by statute"? I get the sense that almost everything is required by statute. Add that the RIF laws don't really match up with Elon's vision of AI and kids replacing all experienced federal workers.
March 14 + the courts are the two things that matter the most here. To pass a CR before Pi day they will need 60 votes in the Senate OR the Rs could go nuclear and change the rules to 50 votes. To get to 60 they need Dems, who will likely stop any massive cut/RIF -- at least until Sept. 30. But if Ds push that, then a shutdown might be the grand gop plan anyway.
My bet given that Rs DGAF about any precedence: Rs go for a shutdown, RIF like crazy, blame the Ds for "ignoring their mandate", and then change the senate rules to require only 50 votes. Then they pass a CR that codifies the RIFs/budget cuts.
Best case scenario, the Dems negotiate a CR that lasts until Sept. 30. Then the hammer falls with the nex year budget.
But the underlying inability of the Rs to agree on a budget doesn't magically go away with the turning of the fiscal year.
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:31
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Anonymous wrote:I thought the GOP plan was to use "reconciliation" to pass bills without needing 60 votes.
Yes but the problem is not the Senate but the House, where they have an extraordinarily slim majority and some crazies on the right who won't vote in favor of the spending the speaker wants. So likely he will have to pull some Dems over to pass anything.
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:28
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
I wonder if the people who are doing this realize how much of the government is not in DC. I'm at the IRS, we have just over 2% in our DC headquarters, but over 10% in Missouri, then Texas, Tennessee, Utah, newest small offices were all placed in Mississippi. They would lose a lot more good government jobs in these places than DC.
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:24
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
This must be related to the lists my partner had to create last week or the week before. He was asked to create a list of 100% essential, could not function without employees and another list of everyone else.
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:21
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This may be a dumb question but my head is spinning from all the chaos — if we are made Schedule F do we lose all RIF protections?
yes. The point of Schedule F is to be able to fire people quickly for essentially doing their job.
I guess I naively hoped there would still be some level of protection.
There are lawsuits over Schedule F.
That’s all we have right now
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:19
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This may be a dumb question but my head is spinning from all the chaos — if we are made Schedule F do we lose all RIF protections?
yes. The point of Schedule F is to be able to fire people quickly for essentially doing their job.
I guess I naively hoped there would still be some level of protection.
There are lawsuits over Schedule F.
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:15
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This may be a dumb question but my head is spinning from all the chaos — if we are made Schedule F do we lose all RIF protections?
yes. The point of Schedule F is to be able to fire people quickly for essentially doing their job.
I guess I naively hoped there would still be some level of protection.
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:14
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
I thought the GOP plan was to use "reconciliation" to pass bills without needing 60 votes.
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:12
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Anonymous wrote:So if Dems force a shutdown where Trump
Just use that as leverage to RIF (ie, remove all non-essential employees)? I think that’s where this is headed sadly
This is right. Democrats always ignore the forrest for the trees. Are there regs? Yes, but a shutdown sets up the conditions where the regs won’t matter. We’re doomed by Dems mediocre, incremental, institutional thinking.
Anonymous
02/11/2025 16:10
Subject: Executive Order on RIFs coming today
Anonymous wrote:This may be a dumb question but my head is spinning from all the chaos — if we are made Schedule F do we lose all RIF protections?
yes. The point of Schedule F is to be able to fire people quickly for essentially doing their job.