Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 17:51     Subject: Re:With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What does DOE even do? Just because it exists doesn't mean it should exist forever. Where's the value add?

That's the problem with federal departments and agencies. Too many people are afraid to point out they're useless.

Hello MAGA


Hi there. Not MAGA, never voted for Trump. I'm guessing you can't think of an answer.


Seriously, Have you even looked up what the department does? Do you need everything spoon fed to you?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 17:51     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I went to college before the DOE existed. My family filled out the FAFSA and I received a combination of Pell Grants, other financial aid grants, and merit scholarships for each of my four years.

So, FAFSA and Pell Grants definitely existed before the DOE was formed.

Much of what is now done within the DOE was under HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare) back then.


Why should that continue? FAFSA and Pell are a waste of resources. Time for the socialism to end.


How do you feel about the GI Bill? Also socialism?


Yes. Cut everything except payments for me. How is this hard to understand?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 17:50     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
If endowment taxes increase, the result will more than likely be a significant decline in financial aid, which at most of the larger institutions is funded out of endowment revenue. So the rich will be able to afford to send their kids there and the middle class will be boxed out.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 17:50     Subject: Re:With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:What does DOE even do? Just because it exists doesn't mean it should exist forever. Where's the value add?

That's the problem with federal departments and agencies. Too many people are afraid to point out they're useless.


What do to you even do? May as well fire you without checking. I'm sure if your job is important we can hire you back later.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 17:49     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I went to college before the DOE existed. My family filled out the FAFSA and I received a combination of Pell Grants, other financial aid grants, and merit scholarships for each of my four years.

So, FAFSA and Pell Grants definitely existed before the DOE was formed.

Much of what is now done within the DOE was under HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare) back then.


Why should that continue? FAFSA and Pell are a waste of resources. Time for the socialism to end.


How do you feel about the GI Bill? Also socialism?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 17:47     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I went to college before the DOE existed. My family filled out the FAFSA and I received a combination of Pell Grants, other financial aid grants, and merit scholarships for each of my four years.

So, FAFSA and Pell Grants definitely existed before the DOE was formed.

Much of what is now done within the DOE was under HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare) back then.


Why should that continue? FAFSA and Pell are a waste of resources. Time for the socialism to end.

When you need medical services later in life, we won't pay for it.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 17:44     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm a former ED official. The ED has always been a bloated, useless agency (Thanks, Carter). What you don't understand is that when the agency was created, every useless staffer or lawyer in other agencies were sent to ED, which is how I ended up managing over 100 staff and lawyers much later. I can't begin to tell you how dysfunctional they were. I had one lawyer who reported to me who spent ALL of his work hours doing FOIA requests to
learn why he hadn't earned "superior" on his last review. We tried to hint that perhaps that was because he did nothing substantive for ED. but he couldn't be fired. Every single program at ED can be 1) contracted out; 2) sent back to HHS (where ED matters were at HEW before ED was created by Carter): or, better yet 3) sent back to the states, who are, after all, closer to constituents so can bettet determine their needs. And, no, I'm not a Trumper.


This is the disheartening part of the whole exercise. I'm also not a Trumper but before this I never understood just how much bloat there is in government.

The leopards will eat your face. As a DMV resident, our community is dependent on federal salaries and contracts. Many of you don't care about the price gouging of the private sector, thus I don't care that more people are getting livable wages hacking it in the feds. There's enough money to go around.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 17:38     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No more FAFSA, so good luck getting aid.

That authority would move back to the Treasury Department.

Also closing DOE entirely would require a supermajority of 60 senators, meaning some Dems would need to join all the Reps, which is unlikely to happen.

I have a feeling I know who you voted for. If you think they would go this far to shutter the DOE just for the services to be performed by another department, I have a bridge to sell you. They want less children in college, especially poor ones.


College is woke. All use the same bathroom at college. Stay away.

Can your DC get into the schools we commonly talk about here? I don't see any hillbillies at my Alma mater.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 17:34     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:who will think of the rankings?!

I know I'm concerned. The publics might tank aren't most students on pell grants.

Pell numbers will stay where they are. US News rankings weigh Pell heavily, one of the reasons why some publics moved up over the last few years as US News tweaked its methodology.

Pell isn't going away.


There is no way that the methodology isn’t going to change again now . The Pell and first gen factors are relatively new.

They'll go back to test scores as schools go test required. The UCs and other test blind schools will take a big tumble maybe 10-15 spots. They'll likely add more salary and employment data as well.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 15:50     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:I'm a former ED official. The ED has always been a bloated, useless agency (Thanks, Carter). What you don't understand is that when the agency was created, every useless staffer or lawyer in other agencies were sent to ED, which is how I ended up managing over 100 staff and lawyers much later. I can't begin to tell you how dysfunctional they were. I had one lawyer who reported to me who spent ALL of his work hours doing FOIA requests to
learn why he hadn't earned "superior" on his last review. We tried to hint that perhaps that was because he did nothing substantive for ED. but he couldn't be fired. Every single program at ED can be 1) contracted out; 2) sent back to HHS (where ED matters were at HEW before ED was created by Carter): or, better yet 3) sent back to the states, who are, after all, closer to constituents so can bettet determine their needs. And, no, I'm not a Trumper.


Sure you were.

And you spent years being part of the bloat?

😂🤣
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 15:43     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:I went to college before the DOE existed. My family filled out the FAFSA and I received a combination of Pell Grants, other financial aid grants, and merit scholarships for each of my four years.

So, FAFSA and Pell Grants definitely existed before the DOE was formed.

Much of what is now done within the DOE was under HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare) back then.


Why should that continue? FAFSA and Pell are a waste of resources. Time for the socialism to end.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 15:41     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:FAFSA and Pell will move back to Treasury, as they were before 1980.


lol no they will end.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 15:26     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:I'm a former ED official. The ED has always been a bloated, useless agency (Thanks, Carter). What you don't understand is that when the agency was created, every useless staffer or lawyer in other agencies were sent to ED, which is how I ended up managing over 100 staff and lawyers much later. I can't begin to tell you how dysfunctional they were. I had one lawyer who reported to me who spent ALL of his work hours doing FOIA requests to
learn why he hadn't earned "superior" on his last review. We tried to hint that perhaps that was because he did nothing substantive for ED. but he couldn't be fired. Every single program at ED can be 1) contracted out; 2) sent back to HHS (where ED matters were at HEW before ED was created by Carter): or, better yet 3) sent back to the states, who are, after all, closer to constituents so can bettet determine their needs. And, no, I'm not a Trumper.


This is the disheartening part of the whole exercise. I'm also not a Trumper but before this I never understood just how much bloat there is in government.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 15:22     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
I'm a former ED official. The ED has always been a bloated, useless agency (Thanks, Carter). What you don't understand is that when the agency was created, every useless staffer or lawyer in other agencies were sent to ED, which is how I ended up managing over 100 staff and lawyers much later. I can't begin to tell you how dysfunctional they were. I had one lawyer who reported to me who spent ALL of his work hours doing FOIA requests to
learn why he hadn't earned "superior" on his last review. We tried to hint that perhaps that was because he did nothing substantive for ED. but he couldn't be fired. Every single program at ED can be 1) contracted out; 2) sent back to HHS (where ED matters were at HEW before ED was created by Carter): or, better yet 3) sent back to the states, who are, after all, closer to constituents so can bettet determine their needs. And, no, I'm not a Trumper.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 15:18     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
I went to college before the DOE existed. My family filled out the FAFSA and I received a combination of Pell Grants, other financial aid grants, and merit scholarships for each of my four years.

So, FAFSA and Pell Grants definitely existed before the DOE was formed.

Much of what is now done within the DOE was under HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare) back then.