Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:55
Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
DEI refers to the characteristics that are not earned or competency based.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:55
Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not DEI, it’s far better. It’s not just getting an opportunity to try, it’s being given preferential treatment on a silver plattter.
It is being given a preference based on service. As far as it applies to a job application, I don't think it outweighs being qualified for the job.
Historically, with the federal government it gave you extra "points" on a job application. I think being a disabled veteran might have given more. 5 points for a regular vet. 10 points for a disabled vet or Purple Heart. I'd hardly call it getting a job on a silver platter.
I think with the colleges it likely depends on the individual school if they give preference. Not sure all colleges do this.
No it definitely guarantees a vet will be in the job. Many governments jobs it has become the default qualification to be considered. So much so that non vets do not apply.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:53
Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:ThisAnonymous wrote:Veteran status is often given preference, so yes. Like race and disability, they must be qualified first but yes, they will be given preference once that’s established.
When something is given preference, it doesn't automatically equate to DEI.
Someone may be given preference because they graduated college or HS with a high GPA. Or, they may be given preference because they have successfully managed people in another position. Or they may be given preference because they have experience with a particular software or system.
Lots of reason there is preference in hiring. Basing hiring on race, gender, sexual orientation, or other quality that does not equate to experience or merit is DEI.
You people are so uninformed.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:53
Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not DEI, it’s far better. It’s not just getting an opportunity to try, it’s being given preferential treatment on a silver plattter.
It is being given a preference based on service. As far as it applies to a job application, I don't think it outweighs being qualified for the job.
Historically, with the federal government it gave you extra "points" on a job application. I think being a disabled veteran might have given more. 5 points for a regular vet. 10 points for a disabled vet or Purple Heart. I'd hardly call it getting a job on a silver platter.
I think with the colleges it likely depends on the individual school if they give preference. Not sure all colleges do this.
So it's affirmative action. Giving value to certain "non-merit" characteristics.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:47
Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, it most definitely DEI. We know it includes more men at the exclusion of more highly qualified.
It's not a qualification based on skills or even future capabilities.
It's based on past performance of someone, majority young able bodied male, who was interested in war fighting, weapons, and combat or supporting those interested in war fighting, weapons, and combat. Hopefully the military teaches them the difference between guns and weapons.
Some were given leadership opportunities at a young age.
The problem is that they really don't have the skills to manage people who can just leave if they want. They don't understand that civilians are not military and don't follow orders.
When he was 18 he could lift heavy stuff and march in combat gear. Does that entitle him to special privileges for the rest of his life beyond the job benefits he agreed to at the exclusion of more qualified civilians especially women?
5 points generally would not get you the job if you do not have other qualifications. It shows that you gave up (usually) at least two years of your life to your government.
And, it gives you more skills than you realize.
I don't know how the civil service rating system works. I'm guessing you get points for a degree, experience, etc.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:27
Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Yes, it most definitely DEI. We know it includes more men at the exclusion of more highly qualified.
It's not a qualification based on skills or even future capabilities.
It's based on past performance of someone, majority young able bodied male, who was interested in war fighting, weapons, and combat or supporting those interested in war fighting, weapons, and combat. Hopefully the military teaches them the difference between guns and weapons.
Some were given leadership opportunities at a young age.
The problem is that they really don't have the skills to manage people who can just leave if they want. They don't understand that civilians are not military and don't follow orders.
When he was 18 he could lift heavy stuff and march in combat gear. Does that entitle him to special privileges for the rest of his life beyond the job benefits he agreed to at the exclusion of more qualified civilians especially women?
It's not a qualification based on skills or even future capabilities.
It's based on past performance of someone, majority young able bodied male, who was interested in war fighting, weapons, and combat or supporting those interested in war fighting, weapons, and combat. Hopefully the military teaches them the difference between guns and weapons.
Some were given leadership opportunities at a young age.
The problem is that they really don't have the skills to manage people who can just leave if they want. They don't understand that civilians are not military and don't follow orders.
When he was 18 he could lift heavy stuff and march in combat gear. Does that entitle him to special privileges for the rest of his life beyond the job benefits he agreed to at the exclusion of more qualified civilians especially women?
Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:24
Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:It’s not DEI, it’s far better. It’s not just getting an opportunity to try, it’s being given preferential treatment on a silver plattter.
It is being given a preference based on service. As far as it applies to a job application, I don't think it outweighs being qualified for the job.
Historically, with the federal government it gave you extra "points" on a job application. I think being a disabled veteran might have given more. 5 points for a regular vet. 10 points for a disabled vet or Purple Heart. I'd hardly call it getting a job on a silver platter.
I think with the colleges it likely depends on the individual school if they give preference. Not sure all colleges do this.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:22
Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:No. Being a veteran is simply one of the qualifications a person can list when applying for a job.
It is not like the person is saying he/she is black, hispanic, gay, female, etc. It represents a position that have held in the past.
Not sure why you consider this DEI.
Well, it gives them a hiring advantage (similar to affirmative action) but that is not because they belong to a protected (EEO) class. It is due to custom advantages they are given (through regulation) in the hiring process.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:18
Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's how JD Vance got into Yale Law School.
I’ve heard that he also used “economic diversity” because he was from WV
Also geographic diversity. Easier to get into Yale from rural WV, they literally lower the qualifications based solely on geography! That is the opposite of merit.
Once again, he graduated from Ohio State summa cum laude.
That probably had something to do with his acceptance to Yale.
Do you give the same benefit of the doubt to others in perceived DEI categories?
MAGAs would NEVER give the benefit of doubt to a black woman who graduated from Ohio State summa cum laude. They would just smirk and say "DEI hire."
Every. Single. Time.
I just read an article on a female pilot who grinded for 12 years to achieve her status only to be looked at as a DEI hire by most people. She's even had passengers refuse to fly with her when they board and find out she's the Captain and question her abilities to her face and in front of other passengers.
And this is yet another reason why the rhetoric of the current administration is so detrimental to anyone that isn't a white male. Women and minorities already have to work twice as hard to prove themselves only to now be called "DEI hires"
Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:12
Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's how JD Vance got into Yale Law School.
I’ve heard that he also used “economic diversity” because he was from WV
Also geographic diversity. Easier to get into Yale from rural WV, they literally lower the qualifications based solely on geography! That is the opposite of merit.
Once again, he graduated from Ohio State summa cum laude.
That probably had something to do with his acceptance to Yale.
Do you give the same benefit of the doubt to others in perceived DEI categories?
MAGAs would NEVER give the benefit of doubt to a black woman who graduated from Ohio State summa cum laude. They would just smirk and say "DEI hire."
Every. Single. Time.
I just read an article on a female pilot who grinded for 12 years to achieve her status only to be looked at as a DEI hire by most people. She's even had passengers refuse to fly with her when they board and find out she's the Captain and question her abilities to her face and in front of other passengers.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 12:08
Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Any designation that gives you a preference when someone is picking/hiring/awarding is DEI, IMO.
The WSOB I work for can only compete & win bids that have been specifically set aside to be awarded to WSOBs.
We participate in the other bids, but we can never win them when competing with "the big dogs" so to speak.
And I know they are not all the same thing - DEI, DEIA, EEO, AA - but IMO, they are all the same thing.
The WSOB I work for can only compete & win bids that have been specifically set aside to be awarded to WSOBs.
We participate in the other bids, but we can never win them when competing with "the big dogs" so to speak.
And I know they are not all the same thing - DEI, DEIA, EEO, AA - but IMO, they are all the same thing.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 11:43
Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's how JD Vance got into Yale Law School.
I’ve heard that he also used “economic diversity” because he was from WV
Also geographic diversity. Easier to get into Yale from rural WV, they literally lower the qualifications based solely on geography! That is the opposite of merit.
Once again, he graduated from Ohio State summa cum laude.
That probably had something to do with his acceptance to Yale.
Do you give the same benefit of the doubt to others in perceived DEI categories?
MAGAs would NEVER give the benefit of doubt to a black woman who graduated from Ohio State summa cum laude. They would just smirk and say "DEI hire."
Every. Single. Time.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 11:43
Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's how JD Vance got into Yale Law School.
I’ve heard that he also used “economic diversity” because he was from WV
He isn't from WV. He's from Ohio.
The part of Ohio he’s from might as well be West Virginia.
LOL he grew up in a suburb between Cincinnati and Dayton. It's literally the most anodyne location in the country.
Republicans act like he grew up in a holler.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 11:43
Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: What you do while in the military is what can be allocated superior respect, like earning a Purple Heart.
Does my Army Commendation Medal from 1971 count?
Sure, bubba. But getting it in 1971 means you should be retired by now
Anonymous
01/31/2025 11:42
Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's how JD Vance got into Yale Law School.
I’ve heard that he also used “economic diversity” because he was from WV
Also geographic diversity. Easier to get into Yale from rural WV, they literally lower the qualifications based solely on geography! That is the opposite of merit.
Once again, he graduated from Ohio State summa cum laude.
That probably had something to do with his acceptance to Yale.
Do you give the same benefit of the doubt to others in perceived DEI categories?
MAGAs would NEVER give the benefit of doubt to a black woman who graduated from Ohio State summa cum laude. They would just smirk and say "DEI hire."