Anonymous
01/29/2025 12:02
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a buyout. I hope that most feds will be smart enough to realize this and not take it.
It is a buy out. You go on immediate administrative leave. Read the OPM memo fools.
Why don't you try it and let us know.
Anonymous
01/29/2025 12:01
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:It’s not a buyout. I hope that most feds will be smart enough to realize this and not take it.
It is a buy out. You go on immediate administrative leave. Read the OPM memo fools.
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:56
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
*paid
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:56
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a buyout. I hope that most feds will be smart enough to realize this and not take it.
This. It's "we will continue to allow you to work from home until September, at which time you will 'resign.' We may place you on leave during that time, but no guarantees."
The only people this is good for are those who were planning on quitting/retiring before September anyway, or those who truly can't do a commute for logistical reasons, and will use the 8 months to find a new job (while still working).
That's not true you stop working but get pair until sept.
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:56
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:You may or may not have to work. What’s less clear is whether taking up employment with another employer will be allowed.
+1. and how do you go about seeking employment in the interim (there are rules about that) and is it even possible to separate earlier if you get a job offer or are you locked into the 8 months?
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:55
Subject: Re:What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If more than 5% take this deal, I'd be surprised.
-A fed.
I read they were aiming for 5-10% with this, I think that is feasible.
A friend is a legal recruiter, she is getting a lot of calls from feds.
no halfway intelligent lawyer is taking this “offer.” It offers literally nothing except being able to avoid RTO for a few months.
No, you get to do nothing and get paid until September stop spreading lies
Interesting program that you can see in the private sector. It would take over a year to correctly build a program like this in the government. If Trump had half a brain that is what they would do and set this for next year. This will require new regulations and answers to all questions raised here. Also needs to be funded by Congress. And collectively bargained for those with union coverage. This is a program that could go in 2026. In 2025 it is just nonsense. I would be surprised if this even gets off the ground. My prediction is that peopel are interested but that not a single person will get this.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have Lund a sane and knowledgeable poster. Young just make sh*t up in the federal government— ESPECIALLY when it involves spending money.
No one is even funded past March at his point. Promising to fund people though September is a joke.
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:54
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What happens if there is a large percentage (50% or more) who take the federal buy out? All of those jobs just cease to exist? No work gets done at the federal level? Or is everything just optics and the work gets moved to federal contractor companies? That way Trump can say he reduced the federal workforce by 50% and his base is too stupid to realize all the work actually went to federal contractors.
What will happen?
1. Will never happen as lawsuits will stop it.
So. Much. This.
VERA and VISP are actually legal. This is an Elon Musk fever dream memo that does not bind the federal government and is not funded, has not gone through rule making, has no appropriations, etc. etc.
Also, my agency which right now has a great SES acting put out a “you have time, wait for guidance” email. Also noted that some agency positions will likely not be included in the offer. That doesn’t surprise me. We are incredibly understaffed. I took a detail from my caseload with a year backlog to assist a caseload with an 18-24 month backlog. We cannot retain qualified attorneys and it’s a niche area, so it takes 2 years to get up to minimally productive speed. More than half our hires quit in the first 2 years. All of which is to say, I wouldn’t be surprised if my position was excluded. Even if not, I have a ton of seniority and great performance evaluation and do bipartisan work that’s mandated by statute.
But if it comes to a RIF, I get 52 weeks plus health insurance. And that is actually guaranteed by statute. You are going to have to RIF me. Screw Mump.
Yep. I am also a niche attorney in a section with a 2 yr backlog. LOL if Musk wants that to become 4 years …
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:53
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a buyout. I hope that most feds will be smart enough to realize this and not take it.
This. It's "we will continue to allow you to work from home until September, at which time you will 'resign.' We may place you on leave during that time, but no guarantees."
The only people this is good for are those who were planning on quitting/retiring before September anyway, or those who truly can't do a commute for logistical reasons, and will use the 8 months to find a new job (while still working).
Yep, the only people I know who are entertaining it have one foot out the door already.
Anyone know what percentage of the fed workforce turns over each year anyway? Is a change of party inauguration year typically higher? Seems like that should be the baseline for measuring whether this did anything. Depending on the details, most who were going to leave anyway might take this carrot. Doesn't seem out of the ballpark that 5-10% would turn over in a new administrations first year (including retirements). Maybe more.
that’s people retiring. Nobody retiring is going to respond to this without knowing exactly how it impacts their retirement. People plan years to retire. If you want to move people along to retire you offer actual buy-outs, which this is not.
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:51
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What happens if there is a large percentage (50% or more) who take the federal buy out? All of those jobs just cease to exist? No work gets done at the federal level? Or is everything just optics and the work gets moved to federal contractor companies? That way Trump can say he reduced the federal workforce by 50% and his base is too stupid to realize all the work actually went to federal contractors.
What will happen?
1. Will never happen as lawsuits will stop it.
So. Much. This.
VERA and VISP are actually legal. This is an Elon Musk fever dream memo that does not bind the federal government and is not funded, has not gone through rule making, has no appropriations, etc. etc.
Also, my agency which right now has a great SES acting put out a “you have time, wait for guidance” email. Also noted that some agency positions will likely not be included in the offer. That doesn’t surprise me. We are incredibly understaffed. I took a detail from my caseload with a year backlog to assist a caseload with an 18-24 month backlog. We cannot retain qualified attorneys and it’s a niche area, so it takes 2 years to get up to minimally productive speed. More than half our hires quit in the first 2 years. All of which is to say, I wouldn’t be surprised if my position was excluded. Even if not, I have a ton of seniority and great performance evaluation and do bipartisan work that’s mandated by statute.
But if it comes to a RIF, I get 52 weeks plus health insurance. And that is actually guaranteed by statute. You are going to have to RIF me. Screw Mump.
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:14
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
And do what? There's not enough slack in the private world to take all these people on. So you get 8 months of pay to be unemployed for years? Yeah I'll stick around.
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:10
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some will take it.
You definitely are overlooking that fed offices are filled with mid level young parents who are looking at summer break and eyeing this offer as a rare opportunity to take a paid summer vacay with their kids, not shell out money for daycare, and then spend most of August interviewing for jobs in private sector.
There are also plenty of young GenZers who wouldn’t mind taking a paycheck to stay home for a few months or travel or even immediately get a new job and take double salary until September. And getting new job will be easy if they choose a super liberal company and just blame their departure on “yeah I had to get out of that Trump sh!$show…”
This is a terrible move by Elon/Trump but I don’t think it will land as flat as people think.
There will be some takers. 5-7%
Except it’s not a “paid summer vacay.” it literally by its terms is “deferred resignation.” You *still have to work* the whole time. It has zero benefits.
Maybe delaying RTO is a benefit?
If you have an empty office to return to, but if you did, you probably got called back 2-3 days a week under Biden. So giving up your job by the September date certain to avoid going an extra day or two seems to be a very nominal benefit.
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:10
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
If they had just offered a legit VERA with some kind of decent medical coverage they could have gotten 20% takers probably. So dumb to open with a lowball offer like this.
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:06
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some will take it.
You definitely are overlooking that fed offices are filled with mid level young parents who are looking at summer break and eyeing this offer as a rare opportunity to take a paid summer vacay with their kids, not shell out money for daycare, and then spend most of August interviewing for jobs in private sector.
There are also plenty of young GenZers who wouldn’t mind taking a paycheck to stay home for a few months or travel or even immediately get a new job and take double salary until September. And getting new job will be easy if they choose a super liberal company and just blame their departure on “yeah I had to get out of that Trump sh!$show…”
This is a terrible move by Elon/Trump but I don’t think it will land as flat as people think.
There will be some takers. 5-7%
Except it’s not a “paid summer vacay.” it literally by its terms is “deferred resignation.” You *still have to work* the whole time. It has zero benefits.
Maybe delaying RTO is a benefit?
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:05
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
You may or may not have to work. What’s less clear is whether taking up employment with another employer will be allowed.
Anonymous
01/29/2025 11:05
Subject: What happens if large percentage take the buy out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a buyout. I hope that most feds will be smart enough to realize this and not take it.
This. It's "we will continue to allow you to work from home until September, at which time you will 'resign.' We may place you on leave during that time, but no guarantees."
The only people this is good for are those who were planning on quitting/retiring before September anyway, or those who truly can't do a commute for logistical reasons, and will use the 8 months to find a new job (while still working).
Yep, the only people I know who are entertaining it have one foot out the door already.
Anyone know what percentage of the fed workforce turns over each year anyway? Is a change of party inauguration year typically higher? Seems like that should be the baseline for measuring whether this did anything. Depending on the details, most who were going to leave anyway might take this carrot. Doesn't seem out of the ballpark that 5-10% would turn over in a new administrations first year (including retirements). Maybe more.