I will not take the opinions of anyone calling crate training inhumane or abusive seriously unless that person is also a vegan. And even then I don’t particularly care, but at least I know the person is logically consistent.

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Anonymous wrote:For people who are opposed to crate training, how do you deal with non-routine vet visits where the dog needs to be crated?

I don't agree with crating a dog all day everyday by any means, but there should be a balance as situations will arise when a dog needs to be crated and if they can't handle that, what then?

Why would a dog need a cage for the vet? Just wrap a blanket around dog. If dog truly can only be moved with a cage, then it will be so sick it won’t care.

It's not about the transportation to the vet part, it's about the time they spend at the vet under medical care. Note I said "non-routine visit." If you've never had the type of visit where your dog has to be kenneled there for most of the day or stay overnight post-surgery or for other observation, lucky you.

Anonymous wrote:Let’s just call it for what it is, it’s a cage. It’s not a crate.

So are cribs let’s call them cages

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Anonymous wrote:Just reading another thread where people are flipping out that OP didn’t crate train.

Because it is safer for the dog
Too many owners suck they have no idea what they are doing

My dogs deserve a place that is just theirs

We crate train then eventually don’t shut the crates.

All of our dogs love their crates

How is it safer? I get it’s better for you. Fwiw in certain European countries, it’s considered abusive to cage dogs

It’s safer because dogs, when they are young, get into so much. No matter how great you think you puppy proofed, there is always something. It’s the same with babies and why we don’t leave babies and young kids unsupervised. I crate and yet still I have so many stories from when my dog proofing failed - most famously when one of my dogs chewed through a wooden door at my in laws the first time I met them and tore open all of the Christmas presents and ate the food gifts plus a box of Rid X (Septic system treatment). I’m surprised the dog lived through it and that ended up married.

This thread makes me realize that there are a lot of extreme people on the pet forum. It’s almost as bad as the political forum.

We have crate trained our last two dogs. We used it a lot when they were baby puppies because it’s way more effective than the old newspaper training than they used in olden days. Dogs don’t like to pee in their sleeping space so it’s really helpful to teach them to hold it for short periods of time. And yes if they have to go to the net they are crated for anything other than a short visit so it is very helpful if they understand that a crate is a safe space. (Should never be used as a punishment or excessively.). Our dogs crate door is always open once he was trained and he loves it. He has a comfy memory foam mattress in it, a pillow and a blanket. He also has thee other bed spread around the house that he also uses but sometimes he likes the crate. He seems to especially like it when he’s really exhausted — I think he likes the support that the walls give him when he really wants a deep sleep. We have a happy healthy very spoiled dog and the crate is part of that life.

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Anonymous wrote:Because my dogs loved it and when they were finally trained they loved to go in it to chill.

My biggest problem is they are large and I could never get rid of them because they loved being in them so much.

You could have the same space but without a closed/locked door. Your dog would love it just as much as a place to chill and not be caged in.

It’s never locked after they are trained.

If you have the door off or always open, then I wouldn't consider it a cage or an issue. If the dog or animal can come and go as they wish then great.

Yes, after they are trained. It’s crate TRAINING.

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Anonymous wrote:For people who are opposed to crate training, how do you deal with non-routine vet visits where the dog needs to be crated?

I don't agree with crating a dog all day everyday by any means, but there should be a balance as situations will arise when a dog needs to be crated and if they can't handle that, what then?

Why would a dog need a cage for the vet? Just wrap a blanket around dog. If dog truly can only be moved with a cage, then it will be so sick it won’t care.

Lol. Clearly someone with no experience with Vet Med. The dogs who haven't learned the skill of relaxing in a crate (it is a teachable skill) have to be sedated beyond belief because they'll rip out their stitches, IV lines, tear that blanket to shreds and ingest it, become reactive with Vets and Techs and be generally unhinged, anxious nightmares.

That is so bizarre. Growing up we all took our dogs to the vet, none were crate trained, and none had those issues. I think the view that the only way a dog can be trained is to be in a cage shows a real knowledge deficit. Millions of dogs around the world are pets who aren't in cages - and many are trained and not wild beasts or unhinged nighmares like you are describing here. You all should reach out to vets in other parts of the world to broaden your view.

Oh, we have, many times. There's a long answer but the short answer is the dogs aren't any better but it matters less if they die, are generally miserable, or they need to rely on heavy narcotics. They're not getting sued so they can act with impunity.

None of that happened to our dogs either, nor most dogs in countries with high quality vet care that don't use caging. You are talking to the wrong people. You seem to have been very poorly trained.

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Anonymous wrote:For people who are opposed to crate training, how do you deal with non-routine vet visits where the dog needs to be crated?

I don't agree with crating a dog all day everyday by any means, but there should be a balance as situations will arise when a dog needs to be crated and if they can't handle that, what then?

Why would a dog need a cage for the vet? Just wrap a blanket around dog. If dog truly can only be moved with a cage, then it will be so sick it won’t care.

Lol. Clearly someone with no experience with Vet Med. The dogs who haven't learned the skill of relaxing in a crate (it is a teachable skill) have to be sedated beyond belief because they'll rip out their stitches, IV lines, tear that blanket to shreds and ingest it, become reactive with Vets and Techs and be generally unhinged, anxious nightmares.

That is so bizarre. Growing up we all took our dogs to the vet, none were crate trained, and none had those issues. I think the view that the only way a dog can be trained is to be in a cage shows a real knowledge deficit. Millions of dogs around the world are pets who aren't in cages - and many are trained and not wild beasts or unhinged nighmares like you are describing here. You all should reach out to vets in other parts of the world to broaden your view.

Oh, we have, many times. There's a long answer but the short answer is the dogs aren't any better but it matters less if they die, are generally miserable, or they need to rely on heavy narcotics. They're not getting sued so they can act with impunity.

I’m from the US. Never crated and never had issues with my dogs at the vet or in cars etc.

NP

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Anonymous wrote:For people who are opposed to crate training, how do you deal with non-routine vet visits where the dog needs to be crated?

I don't agree with crating a dog all day everyday by any means, but there should be a balance as situations will arise when a dog needs to be crated and if they can't handle that, what then?

Why would a dog need a cage for the vet? Just wrap a blanket around dog. If dog truly can only be moved with a cage, then it will be so sick it won’t care.

Lol. Clearly someone with no experience with Vet Med. The dogs who haven't learned the skill of relaxing in a crate (it is a teachable skill) have to be sedated beyond belief because they'll rip out their stitches, IV lines, tear that blanket to shreds and ingest it, become reactive with Vets and Techs and be generally unhinged, anxious nightmares.

That is so bizarre. Growing up we all took our dogs to the vet, none were crate trained, and none had those issues. I think the view that the only way a dog can be trained is to be in a cage shows a real knowledge deficit. Millions of dogs around the world are pets who aren't in cages - and many are trained and not wild beasts or unhinged nighmares like you are describing here. You all should reach out to vets in other parts of the world to broaden your view.

Oh, we have, many times. There's a long answer but the short answer is the dogs aren't any better but it matters less if they die, are generally miserable, or they need to rely on heavy narcotics. They're not getting sued so they can act with impunity.

Let’s just call it for what it is, it’s a cage. It’s not a crate.

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Anonymous wrote:I crate trained all my dogs & it doenst nor should it mean you keep the dog in the crate all day. I used it as more of a schedule thing. People who keep their dogs in a crate all day should not have a dog.

Why not? They probably feel the same as you do, that cages are good. Just because you have a different opinion on how many hours is best doesn't mean they are any less well intentioned than you are.

Do you hear yourself? Do you think prisoners love being caged?

Anonymous wrote:i crate trained. my dogs love the crate. it is their safe comfy space. they will spend half the day in there with the door open.

they do get the door closed at night and if we arent home to keep them from getting into trouble.

Why have a dog if they are caged all night and during the day when you aren't home?

This truly boggles my mind.

Anonymous wrote:I crate trained all my dogs & it doenst nor should it mean you keep the dog in the crate all day. I used it as more of a schedule thing. People who keep their dogs in a crate all day should not have a dog.

Why not? They probably feel the same as you do, that cages are good. Just because you have a different opinion on how many hours is best doesn't mean they are any less well intentioned than you are.

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Anonymous wrote:For people who are opposed to crate training, how do you deal with non-routine vet visits where the dog needs to be crated?

I don't agree with crating a dog all day everyday by any means, but there should be a balance as situations will arise when a dog needs to be crated and if they can't handle that, what then?

Why would a dog need a cage for the vet? Just wrap a blanket around dog. If dog truly can only be moved with a cage, then it will be so sick it won’t care.

Lol. Clearly someone with no experience with Vet Med. The dogs who haven't learned the skill of relaxing in a crate (it is a teachable skill) have to be sedated beyond belief because they'll rip out their stitches, IV lines, tear that blanket to shreds and ingest it, become reactive with Vets and Techs and be generally unhinged, anxious nightmares.

That is so bizarre. Growing up we all took our dogs to the vet, none were crate trained, and none had those issues. I think the view that the only way a dog can be trained is to be in a cage shows a real knowledge deficit. Millions of dogs around the world are pets who aren't in cages - and many are trained and not wild beasts or unhinged nighmares like you are describing here. You all should reach out to vets in other parts of the world to broaden your view.

I crate trained all my dogs & it doenst nor should it mean you keep the dog in the crate all day. I used it as more of a schedule thing. People who keep their dogs in a crate all day should not have a dog.