Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 18:04     Subject: Brown
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Anonymous wrote:Last year

Brown
19,666 male (846)
31,550 female (849)

Yale
22,003 male (788)
29,699 female (853)

I have a non-artsy son at Brown, visited all except Dartmouth. Yale and Brown were favorites. Speculating maybe less pre-prof, not big Greek life, and community vibe appeals to females (and males).

Super competitive. Only one, uber-super-star girl from our highly selective private was offered ED admission to Brown this year. It's tough out there!





So except for MIT and caltech, this is all colleges now. But why? Are the bros not even bothering unless they are a recruited athlete? I assume they are going NESCAC or state schools.


I quickly looked at UPenn and Harvard and it was more balanced on applications. I’m sure all are skewing more female, but Y&B are definitely skewing more. Not sure where bros are going besides Bucknell. 😁


Harvard is Harvard, but Penn has a a good engineering school and it has Wharton. And both of those programs attract smart young men.

Schools like Brown and Yale, which don't have meaningful engineering programs or undergrad business schools, are struggling - relatively speaking - to attract the increasingly limited number of accomplished young men out there. Those young men have options. And the smartest do tend to go into engineering, CS or finance related fields. If a school is not competitive in those majors, it further limits the pool of competitive male applicants. And so you see distortions like at Brown and Yale when it comes to the ratio of male/female applicants. I'm sure schools like Cornell, Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Stanford, Michigan and other top schools that have solid engineering programs have a more equitable distribution of applicants.


Struggling is definitely relative. It's still a very, very, very low admission rate for boys. I know 2 who were deferred in ED who have it all: top grades, scores, extracurriculars, etc. Even applied as humanities majors (with extracurriculars to support this). Brown should be tripping over themselves to get these boys and yet: DEFERRED.


Public or private high school?
Were any kids in the class admitted ED to Brown? if so, ALDC, URM or FGLI?
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 16:58     Subject: Brown
Super easy to get in unhooked at 2-3% for males. 😄
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 16:50     Subject: Brown
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Last year

Brown
19,666 male (846)
31,550 female (849)

Yale
22,003 male (788)
29,699 female (853)

I have a non-artsy son at Brown, visited all except Dartmouth. Yale and Brown were favorites. Speculating maybe less pre-prof, not big Greek life, and community vibe appeals to females (and males).





So except for MIT and caltech, this is all colleges now. But why? Are the bros not even bothering unless they are a recruited athlete? I assume they are going NESCAC or state schools.


I quickly looked at UPenn and Harvard and it was more balanced on applications. I’m sure all are skewing more female, but Y&B are definitely skewing more. Not sure where bros are going besides Bucknell. 😁


Harvard is Harvard, but Penn has a a good engineering school and it has Wharton. And both of those programs attract smart young men.

Schools like Brown and Yale, which don't have meaningful engineering programs or undergrad business schools, are struggling - relatively speaking - to attract the increasingly limited number of accomplished young men out there. Those young men have options. And the smartest do tend to go into engineering, CS or finance related fields. If a school is not competitive in those majors, it further limits the pool of competitive male applicants. And so you see distortions like at Brown and Yale when it comes to the ratio of male/female applicants. I'm sure schools like Cornell, Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Stanford, Michigan and other top schools that have solid engineering programs have a more equitable distribution of applicants.


Struggling is definitely relative. It's still a very, very, very low admission rate for boys. I know 2 who were deferred in ED who have it all: top grades, scores, extracurriculars, etc. Even applied as humanities majors (with extracurriculars to support this). Brown should be tripping over themselves to get these boys and yet: DEFERRED.


Public or private high school?
Were any kids in the class admitted ED to Brown? if so, ALDC, URM or FGLI?
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 15:58     Subject: Brown
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Last year

Brown
19,666 male (846)
31,550 female (849)

Yale
22,003 male (788)
29,699 female (853)

I have a non-artsy son at Brown, visited all except Dartmouth. Yale and Brown were favorites. Speculating maybe less pre-prof, not big Greek life, and community vibe appeals to females (and males).





So except for MIT and caltech, this is all colleges now. But why? Are the bros not even bothering unless they are a recruited athlete? I assume they are going NESCAC or state schools.


I quickly looked at UPenn and Harvard and it was more balanced on applications. I’m sure all are skewing more female, but Y&B are definitely skewing more. Not sure where bros are going besides Bucknell. 😁


Harvard is Harvard, but Penn has a a good engineering school and it has Wharton. And both of those programs attract smart young men.

Schools like Brown and Yale, which don't have meaningful engineering programs or undergrad business schools, are struggling - relatively speaking - to attract the increasingly limited number of accomplished young men out there. Those young men have options. And the smartest do tend to go into engineering, CS or finance related fields. If a school is not competitive in those majors, it further limits the pool of competitive male applicants. And so you see distortions like at Brown and Yale when it comes to the ratio of male/female applicants. I'm sure schools like Cornell, Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Stanford, Michigan and other top schools that have solid engineering programs have a more equitable distribution of applicants.


Struggling is definitely relative. It's still a very, very, very low admission rate for boys. I know 2 who were deferred in ED who have it all: top grades, scores, extracurriculars, etc. Even applied as humanities majors (with extracurriculars to support this). Brown should be tripping over themselves to get these boys and yet: DEFERRED.


Yes, to quote what a different pp wrote the other thread:

"I don't know what crack some ppl are smoking, but barring athletes (and then even some of the athletes), the gpas of admitted kids at our school were tippy top of the class (straight As) and scores in 75% according to SCOIR. Does every school have an anomaly once in a while, sure? The mistake is thinking that is the norm. Also, course work and activities can pretty quickly determine who is talking out of their *ss when saying they are going to be a philosophy or English lit major.

75% scores for ACT were 36 reading, 36 english, 36 science and 35 math. And, yes, they are score required now so they might drop slightly...but they are very, very high. 97% had SATS 1500-1600.
92% in top 10 of class. 99% in top quarter (and this average includes, legacy, athletes, hooks, etc). Unweighted gpa 75% 3.9."

We were told by friend in admissions that 'unhooked male' RD admission is about 2-3%. This doesn't include deferred legacy, athletic spring commits, z list, etc.


I don't know what crack some ppl are smoking, but barring athletes (and then even some of the athletes), the gpas of admitted kids at our school were tippy top of the class (straight As) and scores in 75% according to SCOIR. Does every school have an anomaly once in a while, sure? The mistake is thinking that is the norm. Also, course work and activities can pretty quickly determine who is talking out of their *ss when saying they are going to be a philosophy or English lit major.

75% scores for ACT were 36 reading, 36 english, 36 science and 35 math. And, yes, they are score required now so they might drop slightly...but they are very, very high. 97% had SATS 1500-1600.
92% in top 10 of class. 99% in top quarter (and this average includes, legacy, athletes, hooks, etc). Unweighted gpa 75% 3.9.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 15:53     Subject: Brown
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Last year

Brown
19,666 male (846)
31,550 female (849)

Yale
22,003 male (788)
29,699 female (853)

I have a non-artsy son at Brown, visited all except Dartmouth. Yale and Brown were favorites. Speculating maybe less pre-prof, not big Greek life, and community vibe appeals to females (and males).





So except for MIT and caltech, this is all colleges now. But why? Are the bros not even bothering unless they are a recruited athlete? I assume they are going NESCAC or state schools.


I quickly looked at UPenn and Harvard and it was more balanced on applications. I’m sure all are skewing more female, but Y&B are definitely skewing more. Not sure where bros are going besides Bucknell. 😁


Harvard is Harvard, but Penn has a a good engineering school and it has Wharton. And both of those programs attract smart young men.

Schools like Brown and Yale, which don't have meaningful engineering programs or undergrad business schools, are struggling - relatively speaking - to attract the increasingly limited number of accomplished young men out there. Those young men have options. And the smartest do tend to go into engineering, CS or finance related fields. If a school is not competitive in those majors, it further limits the pool of competitive male applicants. And so you see distortions like at Brown and Yale when it comes to the ratio of male/female applicants. I'm sure schools like Cornell, Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Stanford, Michigan and other top schools that have solid engineering programs have a more equitable distribution of applicants.


Struggling is definitely relative. It's still a very, very, very low admission rate for boys. I know 2 who were deferred in ED who have it all: top grades, scores, extracurriculars, etc. Even applied as humanities majors (with extracurriculars to support this). Brown should be tripping over themselves to get these boys and yet: DEFERRED.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 14:19     Subject: Brown
Anonymous wrote:Yes, males have slightly better odds at Yale & Brown, but still incredibly difficult unhooked.


RD unhooked, very, very hard.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 13:27     Subject: Brown
*differed
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 13:27     Subject: Brown
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Last year

Brown
19,666 male (846)
31,550 female (849)

Yale
22,003 male (788)
29,699 female (853)

I have a non-artsy son at Brown, visited all except Dartmouth. Yale and Brown were favorites. Speculating maybe less pre-prof, not big Greek life, and community vibe appeals to females (and males).





So except for MIT and caltech, this is all colleges now. But why? Are the bros not even bothering unless they are a recruited athlete? I assume they are going NESCAC or state schools.


I quickly looked at UPenn and Harvard and it was more balanced on applications. I’m sure all are skewing more female, but Y&B are definitely skewing more. Not sure where bros are going besides Bucknell. 😁


Harvard is Harvard, but Penn has a a good engineering school and it has Wharton. And both of those programs attract smart young men.

Schools like Brown and Yale, which don't have meaningful engineering programs or undergrad business schools, are struggling - relatively speaking - to attract the increasingly limited number of accomplished young men out there. Those young men have options. And the smartest do tend to go into engineering, CS or finance related fields. If a school is not competitive in those majors, it further limits the pool of competitive male applicants. And so you see distortions like at Brown and Yale when it comes to the ratio of male/female applicants. I'm sure schools like Cornell, Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Stanford, Michigan and other top schools that have solid engineering programs have a more equitable distribution of applicants.


Agree with you, didn’t feel like writing it all out, glad you did. I just peeked to compare how much they suffered. It makes sense to me why it is what it is.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 13:20     Subject: Brown
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Last year

Brown
19,666 male (846)
31,550 female (849)

Yale
22,003 male (788)
29,699 female (853)

I have a non-artsy son at Brown, visited all except Dartmouth. Yale and Brown were favorites. Speculating maybe less pre-prof, not big Greek life, and community vibe appeals to females (and males).





So except for MIT and caltech, this is all colleges now. But why? Are the bros not even bothering unless they are a recruited athlete? I assume they are going NESCAC or state schools.


I quickly looked at UPenn and Harvard and it was more balanced on applications. I’m sure all are skewing more female, but Y&B are definitely skewing more. Not sure where bros are going besides Bucknell. 😁


Harvard is Harvard, but Penn has a a good engineering school and it has Wharton. And both of those programs attract smart young men.

Schools like Brown and Yale, which don't have meaningful engineering programs or undergrad business schools, are struggling - relatively speaking - to attract the increasingly limited number of accomplished young men out there. Those young men have options. And the smartest do tend to go into engineering, CS or finance related fields. If a school is not competitive in those majors, it further limits the pool of competitive male applicants. And so you see distortions like at Brown and Yale when it comes to the ratio of male/female applicants. I'm sure schools like Cornell, Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Stanford, Michigan and other top schools that have solid engineering programs have a more equitable distribution of applicants.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 13:02     Subject: Brown
Yes, males have slightly better odds at Yale & Brown, but still incredibly difficult unhooked.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 12:53     Subject: Brown
Forgot to add, males were 49.9% of enrolled freshmen fall 2023.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 12:52     Subject: Brown
So, for fall 2023, at Brown:

Males were 38% of total applicants and 50% of total admits.

Brown accepted 6.86% of males and 4.22% of females.


Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 12:17     Subject: Brown
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Last year

Brown
19,666 male (846)
31,550 female (849)

Yale
22,003 male (788)
29,699 female (853)

I have a non-artsy son at Brown, visited all except Dartmouth. Yale and Brown were favorites. Speculating maybe less pre-prof, not big Greek life, and community vibe appeals to females (and males).





So except for MIT and caltech, this is all colleges now. But why? Are the bros not even bothering unless they are a recruited athlete? I assume they are going NESCAC or state schools.


The ratio and pure number of male to female applicants at brown is very different.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 12:15     Subject: Brown
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Last year

Brown
19,666 male (846)
31,550 female (849)

Yale
22,003 male (788)
29,699 female (853)

I have a non-artsy son at Brown, visited all except Dartmouth. Yale and Brown were favorites. Speculating maybe less pre-prof, not big Greek life, and community vibe appeals to females (and males).





So except for MIT and caltech, this is all colleges now. But why? Are the bros not even bothering unless they are a recruited athlete? I assume they are going NESCAC or state schools.


I quickly looked at UPenn and Harvard and it was more balanced on applications. I’m sure all are skewing more female, but Y&B are definitely skewing more. Not sure where bros are going besides Bucknell. 😁
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2025 12:09     Subject: Brown
Anonymous wrote:Last year

Brown
19,666 male (846)
31,550 female (849)

Yale
22,003 male (788)
29,699 female (853)

I have a non-artsy son at Brown, visited all except Dartmouth. Yale and Brown were favorites. Speculating maybe less pre-prof, not big Greek life, and community vibe appeals to females (and males).





So except for MIT and caltech, this is all colleges now. But why? Are the bros not even bothering unless they are a recruited athlete? I assume they are going NESCAC or state schools.