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Anonymous wrote:All of the millennials I know with two working parents, even if they work from home, have some form of regular professional childcare.

+1 and they are very responsible. The ones that get me are the 20 somethings with no kids that expect time off for every friends wedding, bachelor party (destination party for which they need several days), shower (again a destination party for which they need several days) plus lots and lots of mental health days plus remote time so they can work from wherever their significant other is, and also don’t want to check email on their days away from the office. I may retire early and let the millennials figure this out!

I am an older millennial, and I agree with the 20-something attitudes. Work to live, not live to work.

Those of us who own or have equity in a business disagree. Adopting their attitude is probably easier if you work for the federal government, but when you hire a 20-something to lighten your load and contribute to the success of your firm/company/business, you might feel differently.

The person you hire doesn't have equity in your business. What are you doing to make it worthwhile their while?

Do they get a paycheck, yes? and some benefits? There you go!

Just getting a paycheck isn't actually enough. You want good people, you make yourself attractive to the hard workers.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the millennials I know with two working parents, even if they work from home, have some form of regular professional childcare.

+1 and they are very responsible. The ones that get me are the 20 somethings with no kids that expect time off for every friends wedding, bachelor party (destination party for which they need several days), shower (again a destination party for which they need several days) plus lots and lots of mental health days plus remote time so they can work from wherever their significant other is, and also don’t want to check email on their days away from the office. I may retire early and let the millennials figure this out!

I am an older millennial, and I agree with the 20-something attitudes. Work to live, not live to work.

Those of us who own or have equity in a business disagree. Adopting their attitude is probably easier if you work for the federal government, but when you hire a 20-something to lighten your load and contribute to the success of your firm/company/business, you might feel differently.

The person you hire doesn't have equity in your business. What are you doing to make it worthwhile their while?

Do they get a paycheck, yes? and some benefits? There you go!

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Anonymous wrote:All of the millennials I know with two working parents, even if they work from home, have some form of regular professional childcare.

+1 and they are very responsible. The ones that get me are the 20 somethings with no kids that expect time off for every friends wedding, bachelor party (destination party for which they need several days), shower (again a destination party for which they need several days) plus lots and lots of mental health days plus remote time so they can work from wherever their significant other is, and also don’t want to check email on their days away from the office. I may retire early and let the millennials figure this out!

I am an older millennial, and I agree with the 20-something attitudes. Work to live, not live to work.

I'm a Gen Xer and I also agree with this - why shouldn't you take your leave to go do fun things? I assume they're not taking PTO they don't have for this, so why do you care what they're doing with it? And you shouldn't check email while you're out of the office. You're using your leave, so take leave and be away.

Sure, use your vacation. It's a benefit and part of your compensation. Don't also disappear and take off dozens of additional days every year because you "just can't." Especially when you lie about the circumstances to try to get a BS accommodation

That is what makes you a shitty coworker

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Anonymous wrote:All of the millennials I know with two working parents, even if they work from home, have some form of regular professional childcare.

+1 and they are very responsible. The ones that get me are the 20 somethings with no kids that expect time off for every friends wedding, bachelor party (destination party for which they need several days), shower (again a destination party for which they need several days) plus lots and lots of mental health days plus remote time so they can work from wherever their significant other is, and also don’t want to check email on their days away from the office. I may retire early and let the millennials figure this out!

I am an older millennial, and I agree with the 20-something attitudes. Work to live, not live to work.

I'm a Gen Xer and I also agree with this - why shouldn't you take your leave to go do fun things? I assume they're not taking PTO they don't have for this, so why do you care what they're doing with it? And you shouldn't check email while you're out of the office. You're using your leave, so take leave and be away.

This!!

And for the VA nurse, sounds like a management issue. If your coworkers are truly using all of their sick and annual leave and continue to call out sick, they must be using LWOP. That’s either covered under FMLA or will become a larger issue with HR and management soon enough. It’s not like they’re using all their leave, calling out, and still getting paid.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X is really shaping up to be the new boomers, eh?

Let's see you survive, pre-gramps...

Rent: $2572/mo
Utilities: $350 (water, power, trash, internet)
Health insurance: $416/mo (is the half we pay & company pays other half)
Eye insurance: $50/mo ($25 ea for both me & hubby - kid is covered under health insurance)
Dental insurance: $44/mo ($22 eas for both me & hubby - kid is covered under health insurance)
Car 1: $0 - paid off
Car 1 insurance: $40/mo
Car 2: $216/mo but paying $400/mo so it will be paid off by July
Car 2 insurance: $65/mo
Student loan 1: $683/mo
Student loan 2: $515/mo
Daycare for 18 mo: $1314/mo
=$6096

And that doesn't even include groceries, tolls/gas/car expenses, personal care items, or other monthly expenses.

And yes, we've been trying to buy a house for 3 years now. We keep getting outbid, like, $50k-$70k outbid.

I imagine it is difficult to raise kids while paying off student loans. It's so sad that someone forces you to start a family before you were on firmer financial footing. We need to do better as a country, and allow people to defer having kids until they are in a better situation.

It's also so sad that Someone forced PP and PP's spouse to take out student loans vs. attending the least expensive in-state college and/or accepting merit aid at a lower-ranked college than the one they attended!

The REAL travesty among Millennials is that so many were forced at gunpoint to take out loans and sign their names on the loan papers under duress. We really should do something about that as a nation, such as having non-degreed workers picking up the tab for their student loans.

Won't somebody think of the private school graduates????

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Anonymous wrote:I feel you OP. I'm an RN at the VA, meaning we get a very generous amount of leave as feds compared to RNs in other hospitals. We have a wiiiide age range among the RNs, from 25 yo to ~65 yo.

100% of us have children, some still at home and others grown now. But at some point, 100% of us have had small children at home.

The amount of time that the current under-40 crowd is away from work is nothing short of astonishing. They take all their sick days and vacation days (ok) and then they KEEP taking days off, calling out at the last minute. Three of these nurses don't have paid childcare - they just juggle with their spouse or have Mom do it. And when spouse or Mom gets the sniffles or has their own doctor appt? Why naturally my coworkers call out sick.

We -- Gen X -- absolutely did not act like this. I have no idea what has led the current crop of Millennial parents to conclude that they only need to show their face at work about 75% of the time and shove their work onto the conscientious RNs who don't call out every few days.

Childcare was way more affordable and available 20 years ago. Also, HOUSES were way less expensive 20 years ago, so there was more money in general sloshing around.

Fed salaries especially have declined relative to COL in last 20 years, you should be aware of that.

It was also more acceptable to leave kids alone and do less things 20 years ago -- now people will call CPS if your kid is walking home alone at age 8, meanwhile I did that in kinder.

What does any of this have to do with my <40 coworkers casual attitude about showing up for work?

You: The Silent Generation was able to buy a SFH on a just single factory worker's salary in the 1950s.
Gen X me: That is no longer an option for my generation -- therefore I will call out "sick" every Monday and many Thursdays, after taking a full week vacation at Virginia Beach. I will post children's museum pix in IG from the day I was "sick" last week.

I can take this one!

If homes cost more, people live further out. They may be more strapped for cash if they did purchase a home. They may be strapped for cash because they are saving. Other things cost more too, like college, so a lot of <40 people, including your coworkers, have student loan payments that are excessive, as compared to what similar payments were 20 years ago.

The material impact of this is that people have to travel longer to get to work, and more families have two parents working, which means they have to pick their kids up from expensive day care by 5, 5:30, 6pm. With commutes being what they are, it's both MORE productive and less stressful and less costly (in the form of gas, late fees, wear and tear, takeout because you're too tired) to WFH instead of commuting.

If you have employees that lie, that's another story. In my experience, the liars I deal with (of the "I'm sick" but you're clearly at a winery variety) are spread pretty evenly across generations. Is it possible this is the case for you too, but Linda in Accounts and Bob in HR just aren't very avid IG posters?

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Anonymous wrote:All of the millennials I know with two working parents, even if they work from home, have some form of regular professional childcare.

+1 and they are very responsible. The ones that get me are the 20 somethings with no kids that expect time off for every friends wedding, bachelor party (destination party for which they need several days), shower (again a destination party for which they need several days) plus lots and lots of mental health days plus remote time so they can work from wherever their significant other is, and also don’t want to check email on their days away from the office. I may retire early and let the millennials figure this out!

I am an older millennial, and I agree with the 20-something attitudes. Work to live, not live to work.

Those of us who own or have equity in a business disagree. Adopting their attitude is probably easier if you work for the federal government, but when you hire a 20-something to lighten your load and contribute to the success of your firm/company/business, you might feel differently.

The person you hire doesn't have equity in your business. What are you doing to make it worthwhile their while?

I'm looking for their replacement because entitled twenty-somethings are a liability, not an asset.

So you're expecting a bunch of personal sacrifices from your employees but aren't compensating them adequately for said sacrifices.

Knowing your worth and not to put in uncompensated effort isn't laziness.

Well, it's easy to see in the case of said entitled twenty-something that they are getting paid more than they generate based on how our business works. We have a compensation structure that rewards people for exceeding expectations and a base pay based on base expectations that they haven't met.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel you OP. I'm an RN at the VA, meaning we get a very generous amount of leave as feds compared to RNs in other hospitals. We have a wiiiide age range among the RNs, from 25 yo to ~65 yo.

100% of us have children, some still at home and others grown now. But at some point, 100% of us have had small children at home.

The amount of time that the current under-40 crowd is away from work is nothing short of astonishing. They take all their sick days and vacation days (ok) and then they KEEP taking days off, calling out at the last minute. Three of these nurses don't have paid childcare - they just juggle with their spouse or have Mom do it. And when spouse or Mom gets the sniffles or has their own doctor appt? Why naturally my coworkers call out sick.

We -- Gen X -- absolutely did not act like this. I have no idea what has led the current crop of Millennial parents to conclude that they only need to show their face at work about 75% of the time and shove their work onto the conscientious RNs who don't call out every few days.

Childcare was way more affordable and available 20 years ago. Also, HOUSES were way less expensive 20 years ago, so there was more money in general sloshing around.

Fed salaries especially have declined relative to COL in last 20 years, you should be aware of that.

It was also more acceptable to leave kids alone and do less things 20 years ago -- now people will call CPS if your kid is walking home alone at age 8, meanwhile I did that in kinder.

What does any of this have to do with my <40 coworkers casual attitude about showing up for work?

You: The Silent Generation was able to buy a SFH on a just single factory worker's salary in the 1950s.
Gen X me: That is no longer an option for my generation -- therefore I will call out "sick" every Monday and many Thursdays, after taking a full week vacation at Virginia Beach. I will post children's museum pix in IG from the day I was "sick" last week.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the millennials I know with two working parents, even if they work from home, have some form of regular professional childcare.

+1 and they are very responsible. The ones that get me are the 20 somethings with no kids that expect time off for every friends wedding, bachelor party (destination party for which they need several days), shower (again a destination party for which they need several days) plus lots and lots of mental health days plus remote time so they can work from wherever their significant other is, and also don’t want to check email on their days away from the office. I may retire early and let the millennials figure this out!

I am an older millennial, and I agree with the 20-something attitudes. Work to live, not live to work.

Those of us who own or have equity in a business disagree. Adopting their attitude is probably easier if you work for the federal government, but when you hire a 20-something to lighten your load and contribute to the success of your firm/company/business, you might feel differently.

The person you hire doesn't have equity in your business. What are you doing to make it worthwhile their while?

I'm looking for their replacement because entitled twenty-somethings are a liability, not an asset.

So you're expecting a bunch of personal sacrifices from your employees but aren't compensating them adequately for said sacrifices.

Knowing your worth and not to put in uncompensated effort isn't laziness.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the millennials I know with two working parents, even if they work from home, have some form of regular professional childcare.

+1 and they are very responsible. The ones that get me are the 20 somethings with no kids that expect time off for every friends wedding, bachelor party (destination party for which they need several days), shower (again a destination party for which they need several days) plus lots and lots of mental health days plus remote time so they can work from wherever their significant other is, and also don’t want to check email on their days away from the office. I may retire early and let the millennials figure this out!

I am an older millennial, and I agree with the 20-something attitudes. Work to live, not live to work.

Those of us who own or have equity in a business disagree. Adopting their attitude is probably easier if you work for the federal government, but when you hire a 20-something to lighten your load and contribute to the success of your firm/company/business, you might feel differently.

The person you hire doesn't have equity in your business. What are you doing to make it worthwhile their while?

I'm looking for their replacement because entitled twenty-somethings are a liability, not an asset.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X is really shaping up to be the new boomers, eh?

Let's see you survive, pre-gramps...

Rent: $2572/mo
Utilities: $350 (water, power, trash, internet)
Health insurance: $416/mo (is the half we pay & company pays other half)
Eye insurance: $50/mo ($25 ea for both me & hubby - kid is covered under health insurance)
Dental insurance: $44/mo ($22 eas for both me & hubby - kid is covered under health insurance)
Car 1: $0 - paid off
Car 1 insurance: $40/mo
Car 2: $216/mo but paying $400/mo so it will be paid off by July
Car 2 insurance: $65/mo
Student loan 1: $683/mo
Student loan 2: $515/mo
Daycare for 18 mo: $1314/mo
=$6096

And that doesn't even include groceries, tolls/gas/car expenses, personal care items, or other monthly expenses.

And yes, we've been trying to buy a house for 3 years now. We keep getting outbid, like, $50k-$70k outbid.

I imagine it is difficult to raise kids while paying off student loans. It's so sad that someone forces you to start a family before you were on firmer financial footing. We need to do better as a country, and allow people to defer having kids until they are in a better situation.

You think you're clever, but it's precisely because they cannot defer parenthood (age matters) that people in their 30s and 40s are squeezed by school debt, home buying with commute tradeoffs, daycare costs, and career pressures all at once. It's not a new struggle but it is more expensive than it ever has been. WFH helps make it a little easier and cheaper, and a certain type of person hates that for other people.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the millennials I know with two working parents, even if they work from home, have some form of regular professional childcare.

+1 and they are very responsible. The ones that get me are the 20 somethings with no kids that expect time off for every friends wedding, bachelor party (destination party for which they need several days), shower (again a destination party for which they need several days) plus lots and lots of mental health days plus remote time so they can work from wherever their significant other is, and also don’t want to check email on their days away from the office. I may retire early and let the millennials figure this out!

I am an older millennial, and I agree with the 20-something attitudes. Work to live, not live to work.

Those of us who own or have equity in a business disagree. Adopting their attitude is probably easier if you work for the federal government, but when you hire a 20-something to lighten your load and contribute to the success of your firm/company/business, you might feel differently.

The person you hire doesn't have equity in your business. What are you doing to make it worthwhile their while?

+1
Seriously. You don't own the people you hired. As long as they do their job, they should be able to take PTO and not think about your business.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel you OP. I'm an RN at the VA, meaning we get a very generous amount of leave as feds compared to RNs in other hospitals. We have a wiiiide age range among the RNs, from 25 yo to ~65 yo.

100% of us have children, some still at home and others grown now. But at some point, 100% of us have had small children at home.

The amount of time that the current under-40 crowd is away from work is nothing short of astonishing. They take all their sick days and vacation days (ok) and then they KEEP taking days off, calling out at the last minute. Three of these nurses don't have paid childcare - they just juggle with their spouse or have Mom do it. And when spouse or Mom gets the sniffles or has their own doctor appt? Why naturally my coworkers call out sick.

We -- Gen X -- absolutely did not act like this. I have no idea what has led the current crop of Millennial parents to conclude that they only need to show their face at work about 75% of the time and shove their work onto the conscientious RNs who don't call out every few days.

Childcare was way more affordable and available 20 years ago. Also, HOUSES were way less expensive 20 years ago, so there was more money in general sloshing around.

Fed salaries especially have declined relative to COL in last 20 years, you should be aware of that.

It was also more acceptable to leave kids alone and do less things 20 years ago -- now people will call CPS if your kid is walking home alone at age 8, meanwhile I did that in kinder.

I agree with you but I think one of the issues is that many solidly MC and UMC young parents aren’t adjusting for these costs. They still want 2,3,4 kids and the SFH etc. It is unfortunate how costly things have gotten in the past couple of decades but people need to adjust to their own reality.

They DID adjust by reducing their commitment to work. Something has to give. They decided it would be work and not, as you suggest, having a family and a house.
"No one wants to live in a box and give up their personal dreams for their jobs anymore!"

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Anonymous wrote:All of the millennials I know with two working parents, even if they work from home, have some form of regular professional childcare.

+1 and they are very responsible. The ones that get me are the 20 somethings with no kids that expect time off for every friends wedding, bachelor party (destination party for which they need several days), shower (again a destination party for which they need several days) plus lots and lots of mental health days plus remote time so they can work from wherever their significant other is, and also don’t want to check email on their days away from the office. I may retire early and let the millennials figure this out!

I am an older millennial, and I agree with the 20-something attitudes. Work to live, not live to work.

Those of us who own or have equity in a business disagree. Adopting their attitude is probably easier if you work for the federal government, but when you hire a 20-something to lighten your load and contribute to the success of your firm/company/business, you might feel differently.

The person you hire doesn't have equity in your business. What are you doing to make it worthwhile their while?

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Anonymous wrote:All of the millennials I know with two working parents, even if they work from home, have some form of regular professional childcare.

+1 and they are very responsible. The ones that get me are the 20 somethings with no kids that expect time off for every friends wedding, bachelor party (destination party for which they need several days), shower (again a destination party for which they need several days) plus lots and lots of mental health days plus remote time so they can work from wherever their significant other is, and also don’t want to check email on their days away from the office. I may retire early and let the millennials figure this out!

I am an older millennial, and I agree with the 20-something attitudes. Work to live, not live to work.

Those of us who own or have equity in a business disagree. Adopting their attitude is probably easier if you work for the federal government, but when you hire a 20-something to lighten your load and contribute to the success of your firm/company/business, you might feel differently.