Anonymous
01/07/2025 11:41
Subject: Re:Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:Getting rejected is Not girls protection.
Schools want to admit students who will attend. They need c students to enroll in the fall. So yes if they think you are using them as a safety or most likely have resume for a higher ranked school and don't really want to attend, they might wl or reject you. If they are really your first choice you show them that and you might get admitted
For ex case western, they know that many who apply have the resume for T25. If they accept all of those kids they won't have enough students in the fall. Seriously even of those who end up attending at least 50% + are only there because they did NOT get into the 3-4 T25 they applied to.
But if case is your top choice, let them know they will give you your fa and merit estimates and you can ED 2.
And if it's not your top choice, well then they were accurate in assuming you might not attend. So yup you may not get admitted
This process you are describing is yield protection. If a school wasn’t trying to protect its yield, they could admit every qualified applicant. Sure, only x% would attend, but that’s ok—just admit enough applicants that x% gives you the number you need for your freshman class.
Anonymous
01/07/2025 11:37
Subject: Re:Yield Protection?
Getting rejected is Not girls protection.
Schools want to admit students who will attend. They need c students to enroll in the fall. So yes if they think you are using them as a safety or most likely have resume for a higher ranked school and don't really want to attend, they might wl or reject you. If they are really your first choice you show them that and you might get admitted
For ex case western, they know that many who apply have the resume for T25. If they accept all of those kids they won't have enough students in the fall. Seriously even of those who end up attending at least 50% + are only there because they did NOT get into the 3-4 T25 they applied to.
But if case is your top choice, let them know they will give you your fa and merit estimates and you can ED 2.
And if it's not your top choice, well then they were accurate in assuming you might not attend. So yup you may not get admitted
Schools want to admit students who will attend. They need c students to enroll in the fall. So yes if they think you are using them as a safety or most likely have resume for a higher ranked school and don't really want to attend, they might wl or reject you. If they are really your first choice you show them that and you might get admitted
For ex case western, they know that many who apply have the resume for T25. If they accept all of those kids they won't have enough students in the fall. Seriously even of those who end up attending at least 50% + are only there because they did NOT get into the 3-4 T25 they applied to.
But if case is your top choice, let them know they will give you your fa and merit estimates and you can ED 2.
And if it's not your top choice, well then they were accurate in assuming you might not attend. So yup you may not get admitted
Anonymous
01/07/2025 11:30
Subject: Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It used to be called Tufts Syndrome for a reason!
Yes, and Harvard used to have a 20 percent acceptance rate. I got in with a 1350 SAT score. Things change.
FWIW, if you took the SAT at a time when Harvard's admit percentage was this high, it would be equivalent to around a 1480 today.
Anonymous
01/07/2025 11:24
Subject: Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no convincing proof that any school does yield protection but DCUM parents cling to this “explanation” for their kid getting rejected.
Well, if you look in SCOIR scattergrams for some colleges (ie U Miami) where the top quadrant kids are all deferred/waitlisted and those with lower stats are accepted, it feels a lot like yield protection.
You can do the same thing with the Harvard-Westlake unhooked students data. There are many schools where the kids with medium-high GPAs are admitted at a higher rate than the kids with higher GPAs. This may be mostly an artifact of ED, but that’s why ED is a form of yield protection.
Anonymous
01/07/2025 11:24
Subject: Yield Protection?
Wash U
Anonymous
01/07/2025 11:21
Subject: Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:There is no convincing proof that any school does yield protection but DCUM parents cling to this “explanation” for their kid getting rejected.
Well, if you look in SCOIR scattergrams for some colleges (ie U Miami) where the top quadrant kids are all deferred/waitlisted and those with lower stats are accepted, it feels a lot like yield protection.
Anonymous
01/07/2025 11:19
Subject: Re:Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.
My kid got into Pomona, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Brown.
WL at Villanova and Tufts.
That doesn’t scream yield protection. Just very different competitive schools
I do not think that you understand the concept of yield protection as the above applicant results are clear evidence of yield protection.
No. They are evidence that the PPs kid did not fit the class that Villanova and Tufts were trying to build that year.
The admissions process is opaque and different at every school, and that’s why stupid people like to make up explanations like “yield protection” for the outcome.
Maybe you should take a breath and realize that “yield protection” is just another way of saying “opaque and apparently irrational.”
If that is the way that you prefer to rationalize the OP's example, then that is fine. But, to deny the practice of yield protection in college admissions is ignoring the reality as shared by many current and former college admissions officers.
Of course, I am just guessing that OP's waitlisting at the two less rejective schools was due to yield protection as I--nor you--prestige in the room when the decision was rendered.
Try a Google search for "yield protection". You should get some interesting results & sources.
In support of the above:
Wall Street Journal article from 2001 (yield protection is alive and well. A particularly strong practice in law school admissions as well as at US colleges & universities for undergraduate admissions.)
https://WSJ.com/articles/SB991083160294634500
Anonymous
01/07/2025 11:14
Subject: Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just check the CDS and see if they value Demonstrated Interest.
From personal experience:
Case Western
My kid didn’t do anything but apply EA and got into Case with strong merit offered ($40.5k)
Well guess they assumed your kid was interested? Mine got similar merit but was told to ED2 and then end up on WL. A friend kid with slightly better stats got WL and then later got into MIT on RD
Major matters at case… if your kid is in an oversubscribed major, they will push the ED2.
For reference, my kid applied to Case as an English major with Film Minor. He’s also a NMSF. Applied EA, got in with strong merit and no demonstrated interest. FCPS public and Naviance showed it as a safety.
Anonymous
01/07/2025 11:09
Subject: Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My cousin got into Duke and Bowdoin and rejected by Elon
Elon is very upfront about their use of demonstrated interest. If you never interacted with them, they are going to assume you're using them as a safety.
What happens is that the high stats kids assume they are too good for a school like Elon and will certainly get in. Unfortunately, no one is entitled to admission. Why should a school raise their admission percentage and Lower their yield for a kid who. never even bothered to visit the website? No one is entitled to a spot and schools are well within their rights to admit kids they think will accept. If a kid like the one above really wanted Elon, they could reach out to admissions and would likely be admitted.
Anonymous
01/07/2025 11:03
Subject: Re:Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.
My kid got into Pomona, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Brown.
WL at Villanova and Tufts.
That doesn’t scream yield protection. Just very different competitive schools
I do not think that you understand the concept of yield protection as the above applicant results are clear evidence of yield protection.
No. They are evidence that the PPs kid did not fit the class that Villanova and Tufts were trying to build that year.
The admissions process is opaque and different at every school, and that’s why stupid people like to make up explanations like “yield protection” for the outcome.
Maybe you should take a breath and realize that “yield protection” is just another way of saying “opaque and apparently irrational.”
If that is the way that you prefer to rationalize the OP's example, then that is fine. But, to deny the practice of yield protection in college admissions is ignoring the reality as shared by many current and former college admissions officers.
Of course, I am just guessing that OP's waitlisting at the two less rejective schools was due to yield protection as I--nor you--prestige in the room when the decision was rendered.
Try a Google search for "yield protection". You should get some interesting results & sources.
Anonymous
01/07/2025 10:50
Subject: Re:Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.
My kid got into Pomona, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Brown.
WL at Villanova and Tufts.
That doesn’t scream yield protection. Just very different competitive schools
I do not think that you understand the concept of yield protection as the above applicant results are clear evidence of yield protection.
No. They are evidence that the PPs kid did not fit the class that Villanova and Tufts were trying to build that year.
The admissions process is opaque and different at every school, and that’s why stupid people like to make up explanations like “yield protection” for the outcome.
Maybe you should take a breath and realize that “yield protection” is just another way of saying “opaque and apparently irrational.”
Anonymous
01/07/2025 10:18
Subject: Re:Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.
My kid got into Pomona, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Brown.
WL at Villanova and Tufts.
That doesn’t scream yield protection. Just very different competitive schools
I do not think that you understand the concept of yield protection as the above applicant results are clear evidence of yield protection.
No. They are evidence that the PPs kid did not fit the class that Villanova and Tufts were trying to build that year.
The admissions process is opaque and different at every school, and that’s why stupid people like to make up explanations like “yield protection” for the outcome.
Anonymous
01/07/2025 10:13
Subject: Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:It used to be called Tufts Syndrome for a reason!
Yes, and Harvard used to have a 20 percent acceptance rate. I got in with a 1350 SAT score. Things change.
Anonymous
01/07/2025 10:13
Subject: Yield Protection?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just check the CDS and see if they value Demonstrated Interest.
From personal experience:
Case Western
My kid didn’t do anything but apply EA and got into Case with strong merit offered ($40.5k)
Well guess they assumed your kid was interested? Mine got similar merit but was told to ED2 and then end up on WL. A friend kid with slightly better stats got WL and then later got into MIT on RD
Major matters at case… if your kid is in a oversubscribed major, they will push the ED2.
Anonymous
01/07/2025 10:11
Subject: Yield Protection?
It used to be called Tufts Syndrome for a reason!