If you have the connections to get into the top business schools without a lottery ticket, you will also have the right connections to set up internships and interviews for your kid. That is how is it done for the most part.

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Anonymous wrote:Preferably people who are genuinely close to the situation… with an eye on placement…

Schools of interest:
Wharton
Georgetown
USC
BC
WashU-Olin
Emory
W&L
Richmond
Rice
CMU
and peers if I missed any

I'd add Michigan, Berkeley, Indiana, Notre Dame, NYU, Vanderbilt HOD, and Cornell.

I would disappear W&L and Richmond.

Rice is a little new to a business undergrad. They have a very good econ department. But business is new. Looks like they are geared towards finance and management. But since it is so new, there is no placement track record.

Keep Richmond, delete W&L.

Add any Ivy that you do not already have on the list, and Stanford and MIT. Yes, I know those are not undergrad business programs per se, but there is more elite recruiting at those schools than Kelley, Emory, BC, etc.

If they’re looking long term into a PE or IB career, or even consulting, W&L is a much better choice. Richmond isn’t even on the map compared to W&L for business.

W&L is very strong.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a kid graduating from Ross this year who has NO OFFERS currently. His GPA was like a 3.5 and he said he has been told it's too low for the top recruiters. So, getting in is one thing, then you have to hustle, then you have to get lucky. Investment Banking is such a hard thing, its like being a medical resident - they are brutal with hours and stress. Seems to be what everyone wants to do but the young IB I know work 80 hours a week every week - week after week, year after year.

3.5 is way low, well below average at Ross, bottom 1/3. Ross is not MIT or Penn for business…3.5 will not cut it.

3.5 should be fine, maybe not for IB but first other functions in finance yes.

He was not looking for IB - more like big 4. Honestly I feel like where a 3.5 is out of contention there must be massive grade inflation, like they do at the Ivies. My oldest is in a STEM program at a highly regarded engineering school and Id say the average GPA there is around 3.2. The coursework is brutual and some classes you kill yourself to get a B. I feel like in a really demanding major a 3.2 is realistic leaving the top 1% at the 3.9-4.0 range. When everyone is 3.5 and above, I'd really question the grading. My son is a 3.7 so he is towards the top and he was a straight A student since elementary and its really difficult to get straight As in college level classses, or should be.

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Anonymous wrote:Preferably people who are genuinely close to the situation… with an eye on placement…

Schools of interest:
Wharton
Georgetown
USC
BC
WashU-Olin
Emory
W&L
Richmond
Rice
CMU
and peers if I missed any

Look for the ones that have rigorous Economics, ideallly offering a Bachelors in Economics (Wharton is a great example—all undergrads get a BSEconomics), not a BBA . BBA is not a prestigious degree, for the most part.

You are reading too much into the BSE vs BBA. Wharton doesn’t require anything more than Micro and Macro intro classes. Probably just an Ivy thing to not call it a BBA even though the classes and requirements are no different.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a kid graduating from Ross this year who has NO OFFERS currently. His GPA was like a 3.5 and he said he has been told it's too low for the top recruiters. So, getting in is one thing, then you have to hustle, then you have to get lucky. Investment Banking is such a hard thing, its like being a medical resident - they are brutal with hours and stress. Seems to be what everyone wants to do but the young IB I know work 80 hours a week every week - week after week, year after year.

3.5 is way low, well below average at Ross, bottom 1/3. Ross is not MIT or Penn for business…3.5 will not cut it.

3.5 should be fine, maybe not for IB but first other functions in finance yes.

Anonymous wrote:I know a kid graduating from Ross this year who has NO OFFERS currently. His GPA was like a 3.5 and he said he has been told it's too low for the top recruiters. So, getting in is one thing, then you have to hustle, then you have to get lucky. Investment Banking is such a hard thing, its like being a medical resident - they are brutal with hours and stress. Seems to be what everyone wants to do but the young IB I know work 80 hours a week every week - week after week, year after year.

3.5 is way low, well below average at Ross, bottom 1/3. Ross is not MIT or Penn for business…3.5 will not cut it.

Anonymous wrote:Penn (Wharton but also the other Penn schools) and Harvard tops for finance/consulting placement.....other Ivies and MIT & Stanford follow

Michigan, Gtown NYU and UVA are very good for finance/consulting but not at the same level as above ---

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Anonymous wrote:OP - what I would really love to see is a ranking list like what is on poets and quants but based on employment outcomes - even subjective - as opposed to garbage in garbage out data on class rank or national merit semi finalists. I mean, I can take the USNWR college rankings and just sort by the ones who have business schools too.

Does USC have better recruiting outcomes than BC or UVA? This I would like to know.

Career outcomes are one factor in the P&Q overall. P&Q also posts the list sorted by career ranking:
https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/best-undergraduate-business-schools-of-2024/4/

Seems like Wharton Georgetown and Michigan Ross are the HYP of undergrad business then you have a solid second tier of about 10 schools that are roughly equivalent… or maybe Wharton stands alone and the next 10-12 are basically the same

+1000. Look up recruiting from Penn —Econ and Physics in CAS, lots of Engineering majors, do as well or better than Wharton. In fact seas is the highest average salary for entry job post Penn, for multiple years running.

Best undergrad business schools


Our full 2024 ranking of the Best Undergraduate Business Schools is presented below.

2024 FINAL RANK
SCHOOL
TOTAL SCORE
YOY CHANGE
1 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) 100.00 2
2 University of Southern California (Marshall) 95.84 -1
3 Georgetown University (McDonough) 95.50 -1
4 University of Virginia (McIntire) 94.36 0
5 University of Michigan (Ross) 93.59 3
6 Cornell University (Dyson SC John) 93.56 0
7 University of Notre Dame (Mendoza) 92.03 -2
8 University of North Carolina (Kenan-Flagler) 91.38 2
9 New York University (Stern) 90.81 -2
10 Georgia Institute of Technology (Scheller) 89.08 1
11 Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) 88.90 -2
12 Villanova University 86.40 2
13 Emory University (Goizueta) 86.38 0
14 Indiana University (Kelley) 84.56 2
15 University of Illinois (Gies) 84.06 -3
16 Northeastern University (D’Amore-McKim) 83.21 -1
17 Boston University (Questrom) 82.60 0
18 University of Richmond (Robins) 81.36 0
19 University of Washington (Foster) 80.68 5
20 Bucknell University (Freeman) 80.53 -1
21 Fordham University (Gabelli) 80.36 -1
22 University of Miami (Herbert) 79.97 6
23 Lehigh University 79.85 4
24 University of Minnesota (Carlson) 79.52 1

Anonymous wrote:Preferably people who are genuinely close to the situation… with an eye on placement…

Schools of interest:
Wharton
Georgetown
USC
BC
WashU-Olin
Emory
W&L
Richmond
Rice
CMU
and peers if I missed any

Look for the ones that have rigorous Economics, ideallly offering a Bachelors in Economics (Wharton is a great example—all undergrads get a BSEconomics), not a BBA . BBA is not a prestigious degree, for the most part.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why the cloak and dagger about "intel" and "elite recruiters?" Are you trying to get your kid into Blackstone or something?

OP is a troll.

OP- lol. Blackstone would be a good example of an elite recruiter. Certainly everyone coming out of any of these schools can find good jobs. But there is bound to be a range in how good.