Anonymous
11/26/2024 12:18
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?
There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.
NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.
NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.
To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".
100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)
By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?
If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)
A lot of them move to NCAP.
Also NP but if every good kid needs to switch teams you don’t have a good team, however a girls Olympic Trials qualifier switching is a totally different situation. She needs higher level training partners which she will get with the NCAP boys (which are way better than Mako boys)
Anonymous
11/26/2024 12:14
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
Typical DCUM saying that it is not appropriate for a 14 year-old OLYMPIC TRIALS QUALIFIER to be swimming with senior kids and should be swimming with other 13-14 year olds.
You guys really think Summer Macintosh was swimming with other 13-14 year olds when she placed 4th in Tokyo Olympics in the 400 Free? No she was doing yardage AND clearly she has still gotten significantly better since then.
You guys really think Summer Macintosh was swimming with other 13-14 year olds when she placed 4th in Tokyo Olympics in the 400 Free? No she was doing yardage AND clearly she has still gotten significantly better since then.
Anonymous
11/26/2024 10:16
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
Anonymous wrote:The Mako Olympic Trial swimmer switch confused me: I get needing the cohort to train, but it does say something that she got there with them and that training cohort. Makos have some other rockstar younger kids, so they must be doing something right, its a shame to lose them after all that when they hit high school age.
Her cohort were the older kids, which will be aging out and she will not have any peers to train with - even with Makos being a big club. If you look at some of the clubs they have a strong 13-14 year old (or two) and those kids will train with the senior group, which is not ideal for a few reasons. It is around then that they either stay where they are and slowly lose a fast cohort or find an age appropriate cohort. NCAP has the swimmers. So swimmers will jump for the good coaching but really the cohort.
Nation's Capital Swim Club 1720
Rockville Montgomery Swim Club 1455
Machine Aquatics 976
York Swim Club 515
Potomac Marlins 470
Mason Makos Swim Team 423
Arlington Aquatic Club 417
The Capitol Sea Devils 368
All Star Aquatics 282
Anonymous
11/26/2024 10:12
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?
There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.
NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.
NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.
To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".
100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)
By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?
If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)
A lot of them move to NCAP.
This is true, many of them do. Many wish they could stay with York, but pool limitations means that a talented kid is forced to swim mornings at age 13. The higher performance groups are at 4:30 or 5:00 am. It's unfortunate. Many parents and swimmers want to avoid mornings at such a young age, so switch to NCAP Marymount, where they can continue afternoons/evenings through age 14 at least.
Anonymous
11/26/2024 10:05
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Mako Olympic Trial swimmer switch confused me: I get needing the cohort to train, but it does say something that she got there with them and that training cohort. Makos have some other rockstar younger kids, so they must be doing something right, it’s a shame to lose them after all that when they hit high school age.
I do not know that swimmer’s situation but I would imagine being a Trials qualifier at 14 she was swimming up in training, meaning her cohort was older, and perhaps she felt she had already maxed out what she could get with Makos by training up and wanted to train with kids her age that could push her.
This. If you are a talented swimmer (Olympic Trial at 14) and swimming with the 17 and 18 year olds, you have different training goals and programs. Even though she is fast, she is swimming mileage not appropriate at her age and the training would be different. Put that 14 year old with a bunch of fast 14 year olds she could train more appropriately and in theory make better improvements. And even socially it would be better.
Anonymous
11/26/2024 09:44
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
Anonymous wrote:The Mako Olympic Trial swimmer switch confused me: I get needing the cohort to train, but it does say something that she got there with them and that training cohort. Makos have some other rockstar younger kids, so they must be doing something right, it’s a shame to lose them after all that when they hit high school age.
I do not know that swimmer’s situation but I would imagine being a Trials qualifier at 14 she was swimming up in training, meaning her cohort was older, and perhaps she felt she had already maxed out what she could get with Makos by training up and wanted to train with kids her age that could push her.
Anonymous
11/26/2024 09:37
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
The Mako Olympic Trial swimmer switch confused me: I get needing the cohort to train, but it does say something that she got there with them and that training cohort. Makos have some other rockstar younger kids, so they must be doing something right, its a shame to lose them after all that when they hit high school age.
Anonymous
11/26/2024 09:18
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
[i][/b]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[b]I think it’s pretty concerning that a grown-up is calling a talented swimmer “middle of the road” when they age up. I actually know this girl, and she’s not only an incredible athlete but also a team player with natural leadership abilities. Let’s not tarnish the confidence of young kids who are working so hard to excel. Instead, we should be encouraging and celebrating their successes, regardless of where they fall within an age group.
I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.
lol I meant 10 years, 11 months.
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I think it’s pretty concerning that a grown-up is calling a talented swimmer “middle of the road” when they age up. I actually know this girl, and she’s not only an incredible athlete but also a team player with natural leadership abilities. Let’s not tarnish the confidence of young kids who are working so hard to excel. Instead, we should be encouraging and celebrating their successes, regardless of where they fall within an age group.
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I’m with you here. Especially because the kids are usually so nice to each other, regardless of club. I’ve always been impressed at the bigger meets.
The York discussion caught my eye because my introverted kid (swims elsewhere) has had some really positive interactions with their swimmers, even at bigger meets, even when they’re all nervous. It speaks well of their vibe and leadership.
Anonymous
11/26/2024 08:35
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?
There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.
NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.
NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.
To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".
100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)
By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?
If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)
A lot of them move to NCAP.
Anonymous
11/26/2024 08:35
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?
There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.
NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.
NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.
To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".
100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)
By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?
If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)
They're with NCAP. NCAP develops tons of great swimmers. NCAP also is the recipient of tons of great swimmers that defect from other clubs.
The PVS 9-year-old swimmer of the year last year- York, switched to NCAP. At Swim & Rock this weekend there were multiple York JO winners swimming with NCAP.
Anonymous
11/26/2024 07:51
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?
There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.
NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.
NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.
To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".
100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)
By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?
If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)
Anonymous
11/26/2024 07:49
Subject: Sport Fair Winter Classic
Anonymous wrote:[b]I think it’s pretty concerning that a grown-up is calling a talented swimmer “middle of the road” when they age up. I actually know this girl, and she’s not only an incredible athlete but also a team player with natural leadership abilities. Let’s not tarnish the confidence of young kids who are working so hard to excel. Instead, we should be encouraging and celebrating their successes, regardless of where they fall within an age group.
I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.
lol I meant 10 years, 11 months.
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I think it’s pretty concerning that a grown-up is calling a talented swimmer “middle of the road” when they age up. I actually know this girl, and she’s not only an incredible athlete but also a team player with natural leadership abilities. Let’s not tarnish the confidence of young kids who are working so hard to excel. Instead, we should be encouraging and celebrating their successes, regardless of where they fall within an age group.
Ummm you know that’s how swim works, right, especially for girls moving from 9-10 to 11-12. You are king of the hill when you are about to age up and then you go back to fighting just to make JO cuts. It’s not a personal slight, it’s literally how the sport works for all but the top 1% of swimmers. This is also why parents shouldn’t get so invested in how fast their 9-10 year old is and how they are ranked #1 in all their events, because a few months later they have to work their way back up again and in an age group where puberty is a big factor.