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Post 11/21/2024 18:46     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?


Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.


Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.


Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.


DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.


It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?


Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.


I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.


I’d be really curious to know when you last visited Paris or Manhattan.

The reductions in vehicle lanes in these cities over the past few years make DC look like Houston.


City wide. Not just the city center.


I don't know how else to explain it to you. What Bogota, Paris, and New York have done covers a much larger area than what DC has done.


They're all much bigger cities. But no, what they are doing does not cover as large a percentage of area, is not as multifaceted, and has not been done in as short a time frame.

This year alone has seen a 300% increase in enforcement cameras. That's just one layer.


This is a thread about bicycle usage. What do speed cameras have to do with that, in your mind?
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 18:03     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

Anonymous wrote:Empty bike lanes say something else.

Riding from the Lincoln Memorial to the Capitol isn’t commuting.


Why the obsession with commuting?

The good bike lanes are being used. The crappy ones, not so much.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 16:56     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

Empty bike lanes say something else.

Riding from the Lincoln Memorial to the Capitol isn’t commuting.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 15:24     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?


Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.


Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.


Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.


DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.


It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?


Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.


I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.


I’d be really curious to know when you last visited Paris or Manhattan.

The reductions in vehicle lanes in these cities over the past few years make DC look like Houston.


City wide. Not just the city center.


I don't know how else to explain it to you. What Bogota, Paris, and New York have done covers a much larger area than what DC has done.


They're all much bigger cities. But no, what they are doing does not cover as large a percentage of area, is not as multifaceted, and has not been done in as short a time frame.

This year alone has seen a 300% increase in enforcement cameras. That's just one layer.


Oh, I get it. So you’re pooling a whole bunch of generally unconnected policies, defining the Washington metro as just DC, and them claiming that the fact that all these policies have been implemented within DC represents some kind of unprecedented experiment when, in fact, much more significant changes have been implemented in the inner core of other cities over a much shorter timeframe. Nice.


No. But nice job at deflection, projection and strawmaning.


Strawmaning?

Does that involve placing straw into horse's manes? Sounds curious.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 13:58     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?


Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.


Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.


Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.


DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.


It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?


Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.


I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.


I’d be really curious to know when you last visited Paris or Manhattan.

The reductions in vehicle lanes in these cities over the past few years make DC look like Houston.


City wide. Not just the city center.


I don't know how else to explain it to you. What Bogota, Paris, and New York have done covers a much larger area than what DC has done.


They're all much bigger cities. But no, what they are doing does not cover as large a percentage of area, is not as multifaceted, and has not been done in as short a time frame.

This year alone has seen a 300% increase in enforcement cameras. That's just one layer.


Oh, I get it. So you’re pooling a whole bunch of generally unconnected policies, defining the Washington metro as just DC, and them claiming that the fact that all these policies have been implemented within DC represents some kind of unprecedented experiment when, in fact, much more significant changes have been implemented in the inner core of other cities over a much shorter timeframe. Nice.


No. But nice job at deflection, projection and strawmaning.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 13:25     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?


Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.


Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.


Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.


DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.


It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?


Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.


I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.


I’d be really curious to know when you last visited Paris or Manhattan.

The reductions in vehicle lanes in these cities over the past few years make DC look like Houston.


City wide. Not just the city center.


I don't know how else to explain it to you. What Bogota, Paris, and New York have done covers a much larger area than what DC has done.


They're all much bigger cities. But no, what they are doing does not cover as large a percentage of area, is not as multifaceted, and has not been done in as short a time frame.

This year alone has seen a 300% increase in enforcement cameras. That's just one layer.


Oh, I get it. So you’re pooling a whole bunch of generally unconnected policies, defining the Washington metro as just DC, and them claiming that the fact that all these policies have been implemented within DC represents some kind of unprecedented experiment when, in fact, much more significant changes have been implemented in the inner core of other cities over a much shorter timeframe. Nice.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 13:11     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?


Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.


Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.


Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.


DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.


It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?


Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.


I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.


I’d be really curious to know when you last visited Paris or Manhattan.

The reductions in vehicle lanes in these cities over the past few years make DC look like Houston.


City wide. Not just the city center.


I don't know how else to explain it to you. What Bogota, Paris, and New York have done covers a much larger area than what DC has done.


They're all much bigger cities. But no, what they are doing does not cover as large a percentage of area, is not as multifaceted, and has not been done in as short a time frame.

This year alone has seen a 300% increase in enforcement cameras. That's just one layer.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 10:24     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Holy smokes this is incredible!:

https://ggwash.org/view/97626/bikeshare-beat-cabi-breaks-all-time-annual-ridership-record-in-october

48 percent year-on-year growth!

And there are people on the other thread who are arguing - with apparent sincerity - that biking is becoming less popular! Imagine that!


Nice tidbit:

“Members continued to make up a majority of rides in October with a ridership share of 66.6%…spooky.”


This is cool also:

“You’re … BIKING to the airport?! 😟” - reaction of my coworkers as we ended a work trip today.

And for good reason! Many U.S. airports are horribly unsafe/uncomfortable for arriving via walking, biking or rolling.

I tried 🚲 to DCA today & it was overall pretty great.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 23:01     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

Anonymous wrote:Holy smokes this is incredible!:

https://ggwash.org/view/97626/bikeshare-beat-cabi-breaks-all-time-annual-ridership-record-in-october

48 percent year-on-year growth!

And there are people on the other thread who are arguing - with apparent sincerity - that biking is becoming less popular! Imagine that!


Nice tidbit:

“Members continued to make up a majority of rides in October with a ridership share of 66.6%…spooky.”
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 21:20     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

Anonymous wrote:I'm loving this comment on the Marc Fisher hit piece (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/):

"Upper class white guy in $50k SUV thinks bike lanes are gentrification! News at 11!"


That seems to be a perfect description of some (or maybe one) poster(s) on this forum.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 19:27     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

I'm loving this comment on the Marc Fisher hit piece (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/):

"Upper class white guy in $50k SUV thinks bike lanes are gentrification! News at 11!"
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 19:14     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?


Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.


Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.


Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.


DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.


It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?


Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.


I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.


I’d be really curious to know when you last visited Paris or Manhattan.

The reductions in vehicle lanes in these cities over the past few years make DC look like Houston.


City wide. Not just the city center.


I don't know how else to explain it to you. What Bogota, Paris, and New York have done covers a much larger area than what DC has done.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 18:13     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?


Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.


Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.


Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.


DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.


It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?


Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.


I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.


I’d be really curious to know when you last visited Paris or Manhattan.

The reductions in vehicle lanes in these cities over the past few years make DC look like Houston.


City wide. Not just the city center.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 17:56     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?


Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.


Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.


Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.


DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.


It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?


Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.


I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.


I’d be really curious to know when you last visited Paris or Manhattan.

The reductions in vehicle lanes in these cities over the past few years make DC look like Houston.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 16:34     Subject: Ridership data demonstrate massive growth in bicycle use in DC

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?


Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.


Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.


Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.


DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.


It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?


Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.


I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.


Nor is DC "attempting" to do it "all at once city wide". What an absurd statement.