Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of us who aren’t married and/or are divorced (with or without children), and rely on second jobs to get by. Whenever I see a parent complaining about something so trivial or treat a teacher so terribly, I think, you have no idea what they’re pulling off just to be here for your kid day in and day off.

So true!

I’m appalled by the way teachers are sometimes treated. That isn’t necessarily relevant to this thread, other than the fact teachers everywhere are paid so little in relation to the work they miraculously pull off.

We can see it on this site. The “jobs and careers” forum often contains advice that somehow doesn’t apply to teachers. Posters there often argue that professionals shouldn’t work unless properly compensated, otherwise they are being taken advantage of. Yet this site also demands teachers quietly and dutifully perform all tasks assigned, regardless of how many off-work hours it takes.

There are a lot of us who aren’t married and/or are divorced (with or without children), and rely on second jobs to get by. Whenever I see a parent complaining about something so trivial or treat a teacher so terribly, I think, you have no idea what they’re pulling off just to be here for your kid day in and day off.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So rich people teach rich kids at privates. [/quote]

In my observations, it's usually the kids of rich people. [/quote]

I posted above. This is not true.

I do not come from a rich family. I chose to leave public because I wanted a better work environment, which I found in a private school. I also am not married to a wealthy spouse; he doesn’t make much more than me. This set-up is true for many of my coworkers, as well. I suppose many of us aren’t driven by money.

As public schools continue to chew up and spit out teachers, [b]we’ll see even more talent head over to the private schools[/b]. And we will also see private schools responding by finding more ways to retain these teachers, especially since pay won’t match the public districts.[/quote]

Nope, not as long as pay and benefits matter. And they do. A lot.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So rich people teach rich kids at privates. [/quote]

In my observations, it's usually the kids of rich people. [/quote]

I posted above. This is not true.

I do not come from a rich family. I chose to leave public because I wanted a better work environment, which I found in a private school. I also am not married to a wealthy spouse; he doesn’t make much more than me. This set-up is true for many of my coworkers, as well. I suppose many of us aren’t driven by money.

As public schools continue to chew up and spit out teachers, we’ll see even more talent head over to the private schools. And we will also see private schools responding by finding more ways to retain these teachers, especially since pay won’t match the public districts.[/quote]

Not really because there are not that many openings in private school unless those teachers are leaving also. [/quote]

Teaching is a tough job wherever you are, a point DCUM usually won’t accept.

Sure, there are openings in privates. Teachers may burn out, move, or retire.

It’s not reasonable to assume a school can avoid turnover. That’ll happen everywhere. My point is that private schools are seeing a lot more applicants from public schools, and I anticipate that will continue.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So rich people teach rich kids at privates. [/quote]

In my observations, it's usually the kids of rich people. [/quote]

I posted above. This is not true.

I do not come from a rich family. I chose to leave public because I wanted a better work environment, which I found in a private school. I also am not married to a wealthy spouse; he doesn’t make much more than me. This set-up is true for many of my coworkers, as well. I suppose many of us aren’t driven by money.

As public schools continue to chew up and spit out teachers, we’ll see even more talent head over to the private schools. And we will also see private schools responding by finding more ways to retain these teachers, especially since pay won’t match the public districts.[/quote]

Not really because there are not that many openings in private school unless those teachers are leaving also.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So rich people teach rich kids at privates. [/quote]

In my observations, it's usually the kids of rich people. [/quote]

I posted above. This is not true.

I do not come from a rich family. I chose to leave public because I wanted a better work environment, which I found in a private school. I also am not married to a wealthy spouse; he doesn’t make much more than me. This set-up is true for many of my coworkers, as well. I suppose many of us aren’t driven by money.

As public schools continue to chew up and spit out teachers, we’ll see even more talent head over to the private schools. And we will also see private schools responding by finding more ways to retain these teachers, especially since pay won’t match the public districts.

Anonymous wrote:So rich people teach rich kids at privates.

In my observations, it's usually the kids of rich people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a 20 year teacher with a Masters at a private in DC. I make in the mid 80k range.

How much does your spouse earn? That is the info OP needs to know.

My husband is blue collar and earns in the 90k range.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do private schools teachers make in the DC area. Assume 5-10 years experience. What’s the going rate?

There’s a reason so many private school teachers come from or marry into money…

Many of us don’t come from money. Many of us are married, but not necessarily to high earners.

From my perspective, a lot of us take the pay cut because it’s a way to continue doing what we love in a better atmosphere. I never would have remained in public for an entire career, but I can see myself teaching another 15+ years where I am.

And truthfully, a lot of what makes private so great (from my perspective) are things that could be accomplished in public: stronger and more supportive administrations, more planning time, more professional respect, better professional development opportunities. My former public had the opportunity to do all of this and decided not to, hence why so many of us left that school. We grew tired of useless meetings, rude and lazy administrators, and the mistreatment of planning time.

At the school I worked at it was 50% tuition remission, so 25k per kid -- there are typically 5 or so faculty kids in a given year, so the tuition lost is really only 125k.

Anonymous wrote:What do private schools teachers make in the DC area. Assume 5-10 years experience. What’s the going rate?

There’s a reason so many private school teachers come from or marry into money…

We are private parents but one of us is a DCPS teacher. The discount at the private (Balto area, not DC) would be less than half of the pay cut. Doesn't pay to leave DCPS for now

Anonymous wrote:I have never understood the fairness of private schools offering discounted tuition for children of teachers. It can mean a large effective difference in pay for people doing the same job based on whether they have children in the school or not.

Many (most?) schools don't offer tuition remission, including the Big Three.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seconding the PP comment about the administrative bloat. It is shameful for a teacher of 20 years to be making $80k and the HOS is making $600k+ with a free house on campus. Sorry, but they don’t work *that* hard. And look at the number of administrators in any school. Many are very heavy at the top.

Don't blame the school -- blame the government at all levels and blame society -- if you blame anyone. We ask more of schools now -- public and private. There is so much compliance and other work to do. This is forced on the schools.

Also not that many 600k HOSs floating around.

Not that uncommon around here:

Bullis
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/520635080
HOS compensation: $694,841 (other compensation: $60,474)

Holton
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/530196507
HOS compensation: $614,275 (other compensation: $115,850)

Landon
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/520635092
HOS compensation: $673,537 (other compensation: $166,640)

Field
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/520960218
HOS compensation: $595,500 (other compensation: $67,154)

Maret
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/530211355
HOS compensation: $623,888 (other compensation: $56,588)

GDS
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/530204701
HOS compensation: $622,607 (other compensation: $246,816)

Washington International
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/520822077
HOS compensation: $787,083 (other compensation: $73,616)

Potomac
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/540562160
HOS compensation: $698,812 (other compensation: $163,166)

Anonymous wrote:I have never understood the fairness of private schools offering discounted tuition for children of teachers. It can mean a large effective difference in pay for people doing the same job based on whether they have children in the school or not.

The marginal cost of having one more student in a classroom is almost zero, so a school may be able to get a higher quality teacher than otherwise possible in that salary bracket.

It's not unfair when the benefit offered isn't sought or wanted by other teachers. If a school had to offer something of equivalent value to everyone, nothing would be offered.

Just a quirk of the business model.