Trump can’t shut down the DoE. Another empty promise.

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this devaluation of education is because women have really excelled at it. Men can’t handle it so they push to discredit it.

Also because women have other options. 50+ years ago the smartest women almost all became teachers because there weren't a lot of other options. I'm not saying that current teachers aren't smart, or downgrading their skills --- but it used to be that schools got a ton of high quality, underpaid labor because women didn't have a lot of other options. Now, teachers can just quit and go get another job. And lots of them do.

Also because now almost all kids actually go to school through HS. Before WW2, most kids did not go to HS -- you were lucky if you could stay in school through 8th grade to get your basic R's, before going to work on the farm or in a factory. There were lots of immigrant kids that never really did get their three R's together. When my dad was in the army in the 1950s, his drill sergeant only had a third grade education -- he was a farm kid that had signed up after Pearl Harbor. The late 20th century was sort of unique in that we had very low immigration for a few decades, and a really solid middle class. But even then we had a lot of HS drop-outs -- because of the weedout effect, education looked more successful because unsuccessful kids just dropped out of the system. Now we have demographics more like the early 20th century (high immigration, lots of income/wealth disparity) but we expect all kids to succeed in education.

Ironically, it was the Republicans -- Bush with his No Child Left Behind -- that really bloated Ed.

The DOE currently gives about $2700 per student, so if that goes away, the states will have to make up the difference.

First step toward getting rid of public schools…once that’s done, the ignorant MAGA hicks will be perfect for those fruit picking jobs.

Anonymous wrote:Whatever did we do before the big federal bureaucracy called the Dept. of Education?

We were all walking around dumb and uneducated right?

Yeah, actually. Do you know how few people had a k-12 education before universal (communist!!) public education? Probably 90% of MAGA’s redneck Scots Irish ancestors didn’t get through 8th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Research on what works, grants to implement effective programs

I have a friend who has worked at the Education Dept for many years working on grants. I can’t be more specific bc I don’t want to out them. They’ve told me for years essentially how incompetent their non- political bosses are and how much of a waste of taxpayer money their job entails, particularly under this administration. They say under this administration they have more money their required to give away in grants than the schools who get the money even know what to legitimately do with.

If there’s any better sign that our education system is incompetent it’s that adults are still misusing there, their, and they’re.

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this devaluation of education is because women have really excelled at it. Men can’t handle it so they push to discredit it.

Bless your heart.

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Anonymous wrote:Research on what works, grants to implement effective programs

Do you mean Lucy Calkins, for example?

Bingo.

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Anonymous wrote:They control federal student aid. If they go away- a lot of kids are not going to college

This. At some point folks will become aware that the Dept of Ed contains the 5th largest lending bank in the US. Shutting it down, like everything else Trump holds out as an easy and obvious fix to his slavering base (who are an absolute minority of Americans), is not going to be a straightforward project.

So in other words, shutting off the taps for unlimited money to fund outrageous college tuition might actually do tremendous amounts of work at tackling the issue, because if students can't get money schools will have to stop increasing prices and will have to actually cut tuition.

Sounds like a big win to me.

I agree. No other country writes blank checks for students like we do here. It needs to stop.

Do you know what those countries do instead? They fund the universities directly. Pick your poison.

And what percent of students get to attend university? At what age are they filtered into college track and non college track? Can illiterate and low IQ students attend universities like they can here?

The Department of Education has been used by some states as a backoor way to standards and funding. Let the local govt complain about the feds without having to suffer the consequences kind of thing.

Anonymous wrote:I named what it is good for above, but you ignored it.

Our schools tend to fail not becaue of the ED but because of this insane notion of "local control" over schools. Like it shopuld be different what is taught in Louisiana and California.

If we had actual nationals standards that we all had to agree upon, instead of being able to teach "the war of northern aggression" or whatever some local yokel school board decides is "right," we might have overall better education.

The fact that there are no national standards further proves that there shouldn’t be a national department of education. You argue for the other side without even realizing it.

This whole discussion is moot. A president cannot singlehandedly "close" a department. It would require congressional action and likely a supermajority of 60 votes in the Senate. Good luck with that!

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Anonymous wrote:They control federal student aid. If they go away- a lot of kids are not going to college

This. At some point folks will become aware that the Dept of Ed contains the 5th largest lending bank in the US. Shutting it down, like everything else Trump holds out as an easy and obvious fix to his slavering base (who are an absolute minority of Americans), is not going to be a straightforward project.

So in other words, shutting off the taps for unlimited money to fund outrageous college tuition might actually do tremendous amounts of work at tackling the issue, because if students can't get money schools will have to stop increasing prices and will have to actually cut tuition.

Sounds like a big win to me.

I agree. No other country writes blank checks for students like we do here. It needs to stop.

Do you know what those countries do instead? They fund the universities directly. Pick your poison.

Whatever did we do before the big federal bureaucracy called the Dept. of Education?

We were all walking around dumb and uneducated right?

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Anonymous wrote:They control federal student aid. If they go away- a lot of kids are not going to college

This. At some point folks will become aware that the Dept of Ed contains the 5th largest lending bank in the US. Shutting it down, like everything else Trump holds out as an easy and obvious fix to his slavering base (who are an absolute minority of Americans), is not going to be a straightforward project.

So in other words, shutting off the taps for unlimited money to fund outrageous college tuition might actually do tremendous amounts of work at tackling the issue, because if students can't get money schools will have to stop increasing prices and will have to actually cut tuition.

Sounds like a big win to me.

Now you get it.
It's the same principle as with healthcare. They can charge thousands for an x-ray because that's what Medicare pays out. They can charge hundreds of thousands for a college education because the DOE will lend it. In sane nations the prices of these things are transparent and much lower.

So dumb. No.

1. Brand name colleges, the Harvards, have prices set because of perceived "prestige."
2. State colleges have tuitions set by state law and are mostly funded by the states themselves, not the fed. So I don't see any change there.
3. Maybe SLACS and other private colleges would see lower tuition.

Or maybe, and this is most likely, a lot of schools would shut down, only the rich could afford college anymore, as they are ALREADY PAYING OUT Of pocket, and/or people would be strapped with predatory private loans.
Federal aid has had probably the smallest amount of effect on ballooning tuition, and losing it would have outsized impacts.
SO.DUMB. So simplistic.