Anonymous wrote:We focus on loving God and loving our neighbor but sin has come up. They say the Lord's prayer. They know why Jesus needed to die.

Anonymous wrote:Yes. They are taught the 10 commandments as well the sins pf sexual immorality (homosexuality, child molesting, adultery, and fornication) which, those who practice such sins will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. They are also taught what Jesus said, that he and God are one, and no person enters heaven except through Jesus. There are not “many ways to God” there is only one way, one door; Jesus. This means all the religions, no matter how spiritual they seem, will not get you into heaven.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Sin is a fear- and shame-based control structure. They must understand the distinction between control and actual morality. We also spend a lot of time discussing how sin is about our contract with God, not other people, and how, as the "other people" to others, it's not our place to judge another person's sins, it's God's. Standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that.

Reference in a Bible/Torah/Quaran/other holy book for this?

All of the above and then some, as many modern societal 'no-nos' are built on these same concepts.

Specific emphasis given to the way "sinfulness" is applied thicker/heavier to women/femmes than men/masc-of-center people.

I think you misunderstood. A reference would be you quoting something from one or more of those books to prove that they say "standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that."

Broseph, standing in judgment of another of God's creations puts you above them. You're assuming God's role. What greater sin could there possibly be than usurping divine authority? Pick the holy book of your choosing and cite it yourself; I've never found one that says otherwise.

But if that's the case, then you should be able to drop a clear quote here.

IMO the Bible, for example, says that the church as an authority figure gets to judge individual believers. I as a congregant don't exactly (though I am allowed to say something), but the church leadership absolutely does. For ex:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” --Matthew 18:15-20

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. --Galatians 6:1

I'd like to see your cite that says that pointing out someone else's transgression is a sin. Specific verse or verses that together say this.

Do it yourself, and don't twist what I said to justify your inability to find support for it (which you already cited; I'll bold it for you, but that's the last freebie I'm handing out on this thread to some argumentative jesusite acting stupidly obtuse about things a simple WWJD would explain).

We must be defining judge differently. I'm simply defining it as call a spade a spade, not as setting yourself up over someone else.

Anonymous wrote:No, because we don’t believe in sin. My wife & I both grew up Evangelicals and it caused us pretty extreme religious trauma. So no we don’t introduced the notion into our family.

We talk about kindness, empathy, tolerance and good deeds. But no, not sin.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Sin is a fear- and shame-based control structure. They must understand the distinction between control and actual morality. We also spend a lot of time discussing how sin is about our contract with God, not other people, and how, as the "other people" to others, it's not our place to judge another person's sins, it's God's. Standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that.

Reference in a Bible/Torah/Quaran/other holy book for this?

All of the above and then some, as many modern societal 'no-nos' are built on these same concepts.

Specific emphasis given to the way "sinfulness" is applied thicker/heavier to women/femmes than men/masc-of-center people.

I think you misunderstood. A reference would be you quoting something from one or more of those books to prove that they say "standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that."

Broseph, standing in judgment of another of God's creations puts you above them. You're assuming God's role. What greater sin could there possibly be than usurping divine authority? Pick the holy book of your choosing and cite it yourself; I've never found one that says otherwise.

But if that's the case, then you should be able to drop a clear quote here.

IMO the Bible, for example, says that the church as an authority figure gets to judge individual believers. I as a congregant don't exactly (though I am allowed to say something), but the church leadership absolutely does. For ex:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” --Matthew 18:15-20

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. --Galatians 6:1

I'd like to see your cite that says that pointing out someone else's transgression is a sin. Specific verse or verses that together say this.

Do it yourself, and don't twist what I said to justify your inability to find support for it (which you already cited; I'll bold it for you, but that's the last freebie I'm handing out on this thread to some argumentative jesusite acting stupidly obtuse about things a simple WWJD would explain).

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. They are taught the 10 commandments as well the sins pf sexual immorality (homosexuality, child molesting, adultery, and fornication) which, those who practice such sins will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. They are also taught what Jesus said, that he and God are one, and no person enters heaven except through Jesus. There are not “many ways to God” there is only one way, one door; Jesus. This means all the religions, no matter how spiritual they seem, will not get you into heaven.

“As an atheist, I see nothing “wrong” in believing in a God. I don’t think there is a God, but belief in him does no harm. If it helps you in any way, then that’s fine with me. It’s when belief starts infringing on other people’s rights when it worries me. I would never deny your right to believe in a God. I would just rather you didn’t kill people who believe in a different God, say. Or stone someone to death because your rulebook says their sexuality is immoral. It’s strange that anyone who believes that an all-powerful all-knowing, omniscient power responsible for everything that happens, would also want to judge and punish people for what they are.”
― Ricky Gervais

Ricky needs some remedial philosophy. Who people “are” and what they “do” are two entirely different things.

Correct. God does not create homosexuals, drunkards, drug addicts, or adulterers. These are things a person chooses to do. They are choices to willfully engage in sinful behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I was driving yesterday morning and saw a sign at a Baptist church saying "God hate sins. You are a sinner." I interpreted that to read, God hates you. I think it's ridiculous, and the churches wonder why they are losing members left and right?

I teach my kids to do the right thing and be good people. That covers all of the major sins.

I mean yeah, that's a terrible way to address it. But if you don't teach your kids about evil, how do you help them deal when they find it in other people? Or when they realize they've done something that they think is not good?

Evil and sin are not necessarily the same thing. Doing something not good is obviously not good, but it's not "sin" unless you attach God to it.

It's a sin if your religion says it is a sin.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Sin is a fear- and shame-based control structure. They must understand the distinction between control and actual morality. We also spend a lot of time discussing how sin is about our contract with God, not other people, and how, as the "other people" to others, it's not our place to judge another person's sins, it's God's. Standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that.

Reference in a Bible/Torah/Quaran/other holy book for this?

All of the above and then some, as many modern societal 'no-nos' are built on these same concepts.

Specific emphasis given to the way "sinfulness" is applied thicker/heavier to women/femmes than men/masc-of-center people.

I think you misunderstood. A reference would be you quoting something from one or more of those books to prove that they say "standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that."

Broseph, standing in judgment of another of God's creations puts you above them. You're assuming God's role. What greater sin could there possibly be than usurping divine authority? Pick the holy book of your choosing and cite it yourself; I've never found one that says otherwise.

But if that's the case, then you should be able to drop a clear quote here.

IMO the Bible, for example, says that the church as an authority figure gets to judge individual believers. I as a congregant don't exactly (though I am allowed to say something), but the church leadership absolutely does. For ex:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” --Matthew 18:15-20

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. --Galatians 6:1

I'd like to see your cite that says that pointing out someone else's transgression is a sin. Specific verse or verses that together say this.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I was driving yesterday morning and saw a sign at a Baptist church saying "God hate sins. You are a sinner." I interpreted that to read, God hates you. I think it's ridiculous, and the churches wonder why they are losing members left and right?

I teach my kids to do the right thing and be good people. That covers all of the major sins.

I mean yeah, that's a terrible way to address it. But if you don't teach your kids about evil, how do you help them deal when they find it in other people? Or when they realize they've done something that they think is not good?

Evil and sin are not necessarily the same thing. Doing something not good is obviously not good, but it's not "sin" unless you attach God to it.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I was driving yesterday morning and saw a sign at a Baptist church saying "God hate sins. You are a sinner." I interpreted that to read, God hates you. I think it's ridiculous, and the churches wonder why they are losing members left and right?

I teach my kids to do the right thing and be good people. That covers all of the major sins.

I mean yeah, that's a terrible way to address it. But if you don't teach your kids about evil, how do you help them deal when they find it in other people? Or when they realize they've done something that they think is not good?

Anonymous wrote:No. I was driving yesterday morning and saw a sign at a Baptist church saying "God hate sins. You are a sinner." I interpreted that to read, God hates you. I think it's ridiculous, and the churches wonder why they are losing members left and right?

I teach my kids to do the right thing and be good people. That covers all of the major sins.