Anonymous
Post 10/07/2024 11:53     Subject: Re:How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Easy to argue cherry picking without throwing your own selections out there. By all means. Soccer maybe you can argue. Baseball maybe a little as well (you going to choose Shohei, who is a dwarf at 6'5?)

The others are inarguable. And those are just from the posters self cherry picked list. Come on. At the end of the day, in competitive sport, the bigger stronger athlete is better. It's just how it is. Any other view is just delusion.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2024 11:25     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have really tough try out teams by this age. I’m curious what impact size had on kids ability to stand out.


I think it really depends on the sport and the position in the sport.

My observation is that for some reason sports that smaller kids can excel at aren't as popular as you would expect given how many smaller kids there are.

Soccer, baseball, cricket for example. Baseball height can be an advantage for a couple positions pitcher or first base, otherwise it's not good. Football, height doesn't really matter, except for QB and tight end maybe defensive end.

Being tall myself. It's only really an advantage in swimming and ball sports that involve throwing, maybe some racket sports where reach comes into play.

That leaves all kinds of sports open, gymnastics, weightlifting, track and field, soccer, baseball, what about cycling.

I can't wait until people figure out cricket is an international money sport.


You are an idiot. Lets talk about the sports you list and their most dominant players:

Gymnastics: Fine. Its highly specialized. Shorter can be better.
Weightlifting: Hafthor Bjornson: 6'9
Olympic Lifting: Lasha Talakhadze: 6'6
Track and Field: Usain Bolt: 6'5
Soccer: Choices are endless, but lets say retired and current: Ronaldo: 6'2. current, Erling Haaland, 6'4
Baseball: Aaron Judge (plays RF btw, not a pitcher): 6'7

All of these guys are absolute giants. Height matters immensely. As does overall size, which is a compounded function of height.

Lol. The cherry-picking is strong here, especially re the bolded. Halaand is an outlier in every sense. Ronaldo is not retired, but why mention him and not Messi here? How tall is he, exactly? How tall were Maradona or Pele? How tall is the US’s best current player, Pulisic?
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2024 11:03     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have really tough try out teams by this age. I’m curious what impact size had on kids ability to stand out.


I think it really depends on the sport and the position in the sport.

My observation is that for some reason sports that smaller kids can excel at aren't as popular as you would expect given how many smaller kids there are.

Soccer, baseball, cricket for example. Baseball height can be an advantage for a couple positions pitcher or first base, otherwise it's not good. Football, height doesn't really matter, except for QB and tight end maybe defensive end.

Being tall myself. It's only really an advantage in swimming and ball sports that involve throwing, maybe some racket sports where reach comes into play.

That leaves all kinds of sports open, gymnastics, weightlifting, track and field, soccer, baseball, what about cycling.

I can't wait until people figure out cricket is an international money sport.


You are an idiot. Lets talk about the sports you list and their most dominant players:

Gymnastics: Fine. Its highly specialized. Shorter can be better.
Weightlifting: Hafthor Bjornson: 6'9
Olympic Lifting: Lasha Talakhadze: 6'6
Track and Field: Usain Bolt: 6'5
Soccer: Choices are endless, but lets say retired and current: Ronaldo: 6'2. current, Erling Haaland, 6'4
Baseball: Aaron Judge (plays RF btw, not a pitcher): 6'7

All of these guys are absolute giants. Height matters immensely. As does overall size, which is a compounded function of height.


Wow nice selective picking: you are a true mutt
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2024 10:52     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have really tough try out teams by this age. I’m curious what impact size had on kids ability to stand out.


I think it really depends on the sport and the position in the sport.

My observation is that for some reason sports that smaller kids can excel at aren't as popular as you would expect given how many smaller kids there are.

Soccer, baseball, cricket for example. Baseball height can be an advantage for a couple positions pitcher or first base, otherwise it's not good. Football, height doesn't really matter, except for QB and tight end maybe defensive end.

Being tall myself. It's only really an advantage in swimming and ball sports that involve throwing, maybe some racket sports where reach comes into play.

That leaves all kinds of sports open, gymnastics, weightlifting, track and field, soccer, baseball, what about cycling.

I can't wait until people figure out cricket is an international money sport.


You are an idiot. Lets talk about the sports you list and their most dominant players:

Gymnastics: Fine. Its highly specialized. Shorter can be better.
Weightlifting: Hafthor Bjornson: 6'9
Olympic Lifting: Lasha Talakhadze: 6'6
Track and Field: Usain Bolt: 6'5
Soccer: Choices are endless, but lets say retired and current: Ronaldo: 6'2. current, Erling Haaland, 6'4
Baseball: Aaron Judge (plays RF btw, not a pitcher): 6'7

All of these guys are absolute giants. Height matters immensely. As does overall size, which is a compounded function of height.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2024 19:56     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have really tough try out teams by this age. I’m curious what impact size had on kids ability to stand out.


I think it really depends on the sport and the position in the sport.

My observation is that for some reason sports that smaller kids can excel at aren't as popular as you would expect given how many smaller kids there are.

Soccer, baseball, cricket for example. Baseball height can be an advantage for a couple positions pitcher or first base, otherwise it's not good. Football, height doesn't really matter, except for QB and tight end maybe defensive end.

Being tall myself. It's only really an advantage in swimming and ball sports that involve throwing, maybe some racket sports where reach comes into play.

That leaves all kinds of sports open, gymnastics, weightlifting, track and field, soccer, baseball, what about cycling.

I can't wait until people figure out cricket is an international money sport.


I'm sorry, but this is wildly incorrect. Tall athletes are universally more advantaged in sports. It's simple physics. Their levers are longer.

Whether a certain individual (you for example) were able to take advantage of those levers is another question. But in the large sample set, someone will.

Just ask Aaron judge why he is so good as a short person playing baseball. Oh wait...


Long levers only help in ball sports involving throwing or rackets and swimming. Anything involving contact, speed or agility. Tall helps in being overall big. It's kind of like spinning vs cycling. I started spinning and push huge amounts of watts(power), but it doesn't help that much to climb hills on a real bike. Football height really isn't all that much of an advantage, except the noted tight end, defensive end or QB roles. My schools back-to-back state champ football center was all of 5'6" he was a set or two from making the Olympic weightlifting squad. The bar only had to go four inches when he bench pressed. Agility long levers mean high rotational inertial. Physics means you can't rotate as much, so gymnastics not so much.

Quickness and reactions are relative for example tall people do well at ping pong, they don't have to move their feet as much despite have lower eye to hand reflexes. Tall players do well at sports where a small local space is important. In baseball first base is a good example, they provide a larger target to keep their foot on base and catch the ball. Kneeling down and being catcher not so much. Soccer longer arms mean more goal coverage, and better throws eg goalie.

A 5'6" football center is certainly not the norm. Also, catchers are often tall and explosive / threatening.


Middle school high school isn't a problem when you consider there are plenty of 6'1" offensive line in the pros. It's probably why he went the weightlifting route though.

https://denversportsradio.com/the-shortest-offensive-linemen-in-the-nfl/

Nose guards are often also shorter.

They're hawgs, get low and push is the name of the game. Have to be able to pack on muscle though.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2024 18:26     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have really tough try out teams by this age. I’m curious what impact size had on kids ability to stand out.


I think it really depends on the sport and the position in the sport.

My observation is that for some reason sports that smaller kids can excel at aren't as popular as you would expect given how many smaller kids there are.

Soccer, baseball, cricket for example. Baseball height can be an advantage for a couple positions pitcher or first base, otherwise it's not good. Football, height doesn't really matter, except for QB and tight end maybe defensive end.

Being tall myself. It's only really an advantage in swimming and ball sports that involve throwing, maybe some racket sports where reach comes into play.

That leaves all kinds of sports open, gymnastics, weightlifting, track and field, soccer, baseball, what about cycling.

I can't wait until people figure out cricket is an international money sport.


I'm sorry, but this is wildly incorrect. Tall athletes are universally more advantaged in sports. It's simple physics. Their levers are longer.

Whether a certain individual (you for example) were able to take advantage of those levers is another question. But in the large sample set, someone will.

Just ask Aaron judge why he is so good as a short person playing baseball. Oh wait...


You are so dumb. The PP said rgeee are exceptions to this and what he said was pretty darn accurate
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2024 18:13     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

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Anonymous
Post 10/06/2024 18:10     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have really tough try out teams by this age. I’m curious what impact size had on kids ability to stand out.


I think it really depends on the sport and the position in the sport.

My observation is that for some reason sports that smaller kids can excel at aren't as popular as you would expect given how many smaller kids there are.

Soccer, baseball, cricket for example. Baseball height can be an advantage for a couple positions pitcher or first base, otherwise it's not good. Football, height doesn't really matter, except for QB and tight end maybe defensive end.

Being tall myself. It's only really an advantage in swimming and ball sports that involve throwing, maybe some racket sports where reach comes into play.

That leaves all kinds of sports open, gymnastics, weightlifting, track and field, soccer, baseball, what about cycling.

I can't wait until people figure out cricket is an international money sport.


I'm sorry, but this is wildly incorrect. Tall athletes are universally more advantaged in sports. It's simple physics. Their levers are longer.

Whether a certain individual (you for example) were able to take advantage of those levers is another question. But in the large sample set, someone will.

Just ask Aaron judge why he is so good as a short person playing baseball. Oh wait...


Long levers only help in ball sports involving throwing or rackets and swimming. Anything involving contact, speed or agility. Tall helps in being overall big. It's kind of like spinning vs cycling. I started spinning and push huge amounts of watts(power), but it doesn't help that much to climb hills on a real bike. Football height really isn't all that much of an advantage, except the noted tight end, defensive end or QB roles. My schools back-to-back state champ football center was all of 5'6" he was a set or two from making the Olympic weightlifting squad. The bar only had to go four inches when he bench pressed. Agility long levers mean high rotational inertial. Physics means you can't rotate as much, so gymnastics not so much.

Quickness and reactions are relative for example tall people do well at ping pong, they don't have to move their feet as much despite have lower eye to hand reflexes. Tall players do well at sports where a small local space is important. In baseball first base is a good example, they provide a larger target to keep their foot on base and catch the ball. Kneeling down and being catcher not so much. Soccer longer arms mean more goal coverage, and better throws eg goalie.

A 5'6" football center is certainly not the norm. Also, catchers are often tall and explosive / threatening.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2024 15:52     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have really tough try out teams by this age. I’m curious what impact size had on kids ability to stand out.


I think it really depends on the sport and the position in the sport.

My observation is that for some reason sports that smaller kids can excel at aren't as popular as you would expect given how many smaller kids there are.

Soccer, baseball, cricket for example. Baseball height can be an advantage for a couple positions pitcher or first base, otherwise it's not good. Football, height doesn't really matter, except for QB and tight end maybe defensive end.

Being tall myself. It's only really an advantage in swimming and ball sports that involve throwing, maybe some racket sports where reach comes into play.

That leaves all kinds of sports open, gymnastics, weightlifting, track and field, soccer, baseball, what about cycling.

I can't wait until people figure out cricket is an international money sport.


I'm sorry, but this is wildly incorrect. Tall athletes are universally more advantaged in sports. It's simple physics. Their levers are longer.

Whether a certain individual (you for example) were able to take advantage of those levers is another question. But in the large sample set, someone will.

Just ask Aaron judge why he is so good as a short person playing baseball. Oh wait...


Long levers only help in ball sports involving throwing or rackets and swimming. Anything involving contact, speed or agility. Tall helps in being overall big. It's kind of like spinning vs cycling. I started spinning and push huge amounts of watts(power), but it doesn't help that much to climb hills on a real bike. Football height really isn't all that much of an advantage, except the noted tight end, defensive end or QB roles. My schools back-to-back state champ football center was all of 5'6" he was a set or two from making the Olympic weightlifting squad. The bar only had to go four inches when he bench pressed. Agility long levers mean high rotational inertial. Physics means you can't rotate as much, so gymnastics not so much.

Quickness and reactions are relative for example tall people do well at ping pong, they don't have to move their feet as much despite have lower eye to hand reflexes. Tall players do well at sports where a small local space is important. In baseball first base is a good example, they provide a larger target to keep their foot on base and catch the ball. Kneeling down and being catcher not so much. Soccer longer arms mean more goal coverage, and better throws eg goalie.


Average height in the MLB is like 6’2”. That’s not basketball tall obviously, but it certainly ain’t short.

Anonymous
Post 10/06/2024 14:13     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have really tough try out teams by this age. I’m curious what impact size had on kids ability to stand out.


I think it really depends on the sport and the position in the sport.

My observation is that for some reason sports that smaller kids can excel at aren't as popular as you would expect given how many smaller kids there are.

Soccer, baseball, cricket for example. Baseball height can be an advantage for a couple positions pitcher or first base, otherwise it's not good. Football, height doesn't really matter, except for QB and tight end maybe defensive end.

Being tall myself. It's only really an advantage in swimming and ball sports that involve throwing, maybe some racket sports where reach comes into play.

That leaves all kinds of sports open, gymnastics, weightlifting, track and field, soccer, baseball, what about cycling.

I can't wait until people figure out cricket is an international money sport.


I'm sorry, but this is wildly incorrect. Tall athletes are universally more advantaged in sports. It's simple physics. Their levers are longer.

Whether a certain individual (you for example) were able to take advantage of those levers is another question. But in the large sample set, someone will.

Just ask Aaron judge why he is so good as a short person playing baseball. Oh wait...


Long levers only help in ball sports involving throwing or rackets and swimming. Anything involving contact, speed or agility. Tall helps in being overall big. It's kind of like spinning vs cycling. I started spinning and push huge amounts of watts(power), but it doesn't help that much to climb hills on a real bike. Football height really isn't all that much of an advantage, except the noted tight end, defensive end or QB roles. My schools back-to-back state champ football center was all of 5'6" he was a set or two from making the Olympic weightlifting squad. The bar only had to go four inches when he bench pressed. Agility long levers mean high rotational inertial. Physics means you can't rotate as much, so gymnastics not so much.

Quickness and reactions are relative for example tall people do well at ping pong, they don't have to move their feet as much despite have lower eye to hand reflexes. Tall players do well at sports where a small local space is important. In baseball first base is a good example, they provide a larger target to keep their foot on base and catch the ball. Kneeling down and being catcher not so much. Soccer longer arms mean more goal coverage, and better throws eg goalie.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2024 13:25     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have really tough try out teams by this age. I’m curious what impact size had on kids ability to stand out.


I think it really depends on the sport and the position in the sport.

My observation is that for some reason sports that smaller kids can excel at aren't as popular as you would expect given how many smaller kids there are.

Soccer, baseball, cricket for example. Baseball height can be an advantage for a couple positions pitcher or first base, otherwise it's not good. Football, height doesn't really matter, except for QB and tight end maybe defensive end.

Being tall myself. It's only really an advantage in swimming and ball sports that involve throwing, maybe some racket sports where reach comes into play.

That leaves all kinds of sports open, gymnastics, weightlifting, track and field, soccer, baseball, what about cycling.

I can't wait until people figure out cricket is an international money sport.


I'm sorry, but this is wildly incorrect. Tall athletes are universally more advantaged in sports. It's simple physics. Their levers are longer.

Whether a certain individual (you for example) were able to take advantage of those levers is another question. But in the large sample set, someone will.

Just ask Aaron judge why he is so good as a short person playing baseball. Oh wait...
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2024 22:41     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Expensive sports are less competitive.


^This. Golf and tennis are expensive sports and much less competition in them, unless you live in wealthy areas.

If you can make the golf or tennis team at Justice HS with little to no skills vs McLean/Langley HS. It is because parents of kids attending Jusitice HS can't afford private golf or tennis lessons. It is that simple.


Tennis is really not that expensive. There are tons of kids playing tennis are they all UMC or wealthy? Give me a break


I agree. My daughter is a casual, for fun player. She takes a private lesson weekly and spends time on public courts with friends playing. Some of her friends never took any lessons they just like to play. Also most Ys and town park and rec have group lessons at affordable prices.


Have you checked how much it cost to train tennis at JTCC? It is not affordable for many families.


It more affordable than many other full time programs in other fields. I was just posting about recreational tennis. Learning the game as a lifetime skill. Maybe some tournaments but nothing like the ones with professional hopefuls.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2024 16:51     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:We have really tough try out teams by this age. I’m curious what impact size had on kids ability to stand out.

What sport? Boys? Obviously does for a sport like basketball, certain positions in football and lacrosse, and certain positions in baseball. I think it's a significant advantage in tennis as well.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2024 16:07     Subject: Re:How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Both my kids seem to be late bloomers. One kid was a pretty natural athlete from early on and the other was not. The not as athletic one was able to be average to good when younger through hard work. When puberty started for everyone else, he could not keep up and quit team sports. The more natural athlete has stuck with team sports and just works even harder. I think it will just make him that much better when he catches up to his teammates physically.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2024 16:01     Subject: How much did size (height/strength) impact kids athletic chances in middle school?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Expensive sports are less competitive.


^This. Golf and tennis are expensive sports and much less competition in them, unless you live in wealthy areas.

If you can make the golf or tennis team at Justice HS with little to no skills vs McLean/Langley HS. It is because parents of kids attending Jusitice HS can't afford private golf or tennis lessons. It is that simple.


Tennis is really not that expensive. There are tons of kids playing tennis are they all UMC or wealthy? Give me a break


I agree. My daughter is a casual, for fun player. She takes a private lesson weekly and spends time on public courts with friends playing. Some of her friends never took any lessons they just like to play. Also most Ys and town park and rec have group lessons at affordable prices.


Have you checked how much it cost to train tennis at JTCC? It is not affordable for many families.